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« Reply #375 on: March 12, 2013, 07:46:07 PM »

Actually, the image count at the moment is 269. I've been uploading packages sporadically that contain all images posted up to the time the package was uploaded to make downloading easier for anyone else that comes upon this thread and I cushioned the filenames with zeroes so that they'll be listed in sequential order when sorted alphabetically.
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« Reply #376 on: March 13, 2013, 02:40:49 AM »

All the images have the same center point. And there are more than 269 of them ...



... now. smiley
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« Reply #377 on: March 13, 2013, 07:07:57 AM »



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« Reply #378 on: March 13, 2013, 08:13:10 AM »

I've just now realized the images have periodic rotational symmetry of a multiple of 4. Are you using it to speedup calculation?
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« Reply #379 on: March 13, 2013, 12:13:18 PM »

All the images have the same center point. And there are more than 269 of them ...
Does that imply you already know your target at the end of this dive?
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« Reply #380 on: March 13, 2013, 01:50:38 PM »

Does that imply you already know your target at the end of this dive?

Yes. It's a minibrot at a zoom of around 10324 of which I have (so far) only a crummy low-res preview.

I've just now realized the images have periodic rotational symmetry of a multiple of 4. Are you using it to speedup calculation?

Yes, but only with low-res previews generated without it and full-res (or higher!) "spot checks", generating a key-hole sized bit of the image and a rotated copy to see that they are pixel-exact in terms of filament positions and everything. Any inaccuracies must be no more than what one gets from having a finite resolution sampling grid anyway.

Many of the images have subtle departures from the apparent symmetry in them, and those don't use the speedup, or use a lower symmetry that is exact (ex. 4-fold instead of an apparent 8-fold).

The symmetry is approximate and local -- zoom far enough and the minibrot itself and its immediate environs are not rotationally symmetrical, for instance -- but there are annular regions where the deviations from perfect symmetry are much tinier than the errors introduced by other sources, like the sampling grid or the arithmetic precision being used, and all of those error sources are kept too small (combined) to visibly impact the image.

Note also: some of the images have 2-fold rotational symmetry, though all of those are earlier now. In fact, the last few with merely fourfold symmetry are coming up, after which it's 8-fold-plus until the asymmetry of the minibrot begins to make its effects known, which will not happen until the final few images.

The technical math of it can be sketched as follows: far from the set, the mapping becomes well-approximated by z -> z2, which just doubles angles and squares distances. Shapes around a deep minibrot, deep enough but not too close to the minibrot in scale, are doubled in a way that's very close to exact (for deep minibrots) because of this well-approximation, producing the two, four, etc. fold symmetries approaching the minibrot. The smoothed iterations calculations avoid seams in the coloring by the same math, actually; if you use it with a low bailout (like 4) you see seams, and if you make the bailout huge (104, say) the seams disappear. The symmetry works similarly, but a superdeep minibrot behaves as the full set with a very huge bailout (as it's very small compared to even a bailout of 4, unlike the full set which barely fits inside that).

And with that bit of technical dissertation out of the way:

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« Reply #381 on: March 13, 2013, 02:02:22 PM »

Thank you for the detailed explanation smiley
Do you intent to produce any extra high-res images for printout? Like three yards wide. I'm not sure what print quality is available for large formats, so I have no idea about the resolution.
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« Reply #382 on: March 13, 2013, 07:36:06 PM »

That last picture looks terrific... well in fact they all do...
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« Reply #383 on: March 13, 2013, 08:44:42 PM »

I gave this subject some thought and here's what I think:

1 I will not render full resolution log map, and here's why. Log map, when calculated from the formula itself, contains enough information to compute any number of "zoom" images of certain resolution of random scale in certain scale range. When calculated from frame sequence, however, it would not have that information, obviously, but the space for that information would still be "reserved" (filled with blurred version of what really should be there) - therefore I expect* full resolution log map to weight more than original images combined (at the same quality settings), and those are already about 100MB, so this is not good idea sad I might do smaller resolution log map, just to see how it looks.

2 I will try to do online realtime zoomer. The fact that images are all centered makes it very easy to calculate their relative scale, and the fact that they are all online on photobucket makes it possible to build the zoomer without using my own bandwidth smiley There are some technical details, however, that could pop in the way - in that case, I will just render the video instead of zoomer. Even if I do the zoomer, I might still render the video because it will be smaller than 100MB smiley

So the plan is layed out for tonight... stay tuned, right.

edit: * this estimation is only true if you ignore frame overlaps, but in this sequence overlaps are small, so I think it's safe to ignore them. I think.
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« Reply #384 on: March 13, 2013, 09:32:23 PM »

Awesome! I'm waiting for it.. (But I think the images here are not precise enough... we'll see smiley )

Maybe Pauldelbrot can tell us what is the 'zoom factor'/'relative scale' between each image. I think it is the only thing you need. And I don't see how you can compute it... (Maybe by testing some values and seeing if the result looks good in your animation ?).

And IMHO you'll need to "combine" the pixels between two succesive image in order to avoid ugly discontinuities of accuracy.
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« Reply #385 on: March 13, 2013, 09:50:18 PM »

The scale change between images isn't constant, though it's often 10x.

That last picture looks terrific... well in fact they all do...

Thanks!

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« Reply #386 on: March 13, 2013, 10:34:14 PM »

I don't see how you can compute it
Since we know where common point is, this is just 1D search for best match. I.e. for 800x600 outer image, you could try 800 different scales - subtract scaled image 800 times, and the "blackest" result will be the one closest to correct scale. If it is still does not blend well, you could go subpixel, etc.

edit: here is, for example, automatic fit between 4th and 5th image:



found scale is 0.10125

p.s. some scale jumps are just wow smiley e.g. 9 to 8 scale is ~0.35 and 10 to 9 is ~0.04
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« Reply #387 on: March 14, 2013, 01:56:34 AM »

contrary to what author said, there's a shift between #51 and #52 fiery oh well, ya'all will have to deal with it ) p.s. actually there is shift almost everywhere, but 51-52 is the most noticeable so far... 69 pairs matched, 3/4 to go dancing banana
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« Reply #388 on: March 14, 2013, 02:17:59 AM »

contrary to what author said, there's a shift between #51 and #52 fiery oh well, ya'all will have to deal with it )

There shouldn't be. Those should have the same center as all of them do.

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« Reply #389 on: March 14, 2013, 03:09:35 AM »

There shouldn't be. Those should have the same center as all of them do.
And never the less... I double checked in photoshop, to make sure it's not algo error. Paste 52 into 51, apply 7% scale. See that the scale is correct, but the layer is 1 pixel off. Nudge right to see perfect match.
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