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« Reply #105 on: July 16, 2010, 08:08:56 AM »

Spaciometric rotation I will define as tha part of the boundarisarion process that apprehends the boundary of a form.

 I have come at it from this direction because rotation is so intuitive that the issue of defining it seems unnecessary but it is now necessary as I have a background theory that is the Logos response against which it is to be compared. Nevertheless it is an axiomatic notion because the sense of rotation is in fact located in the ears. The audiometric sensors are fascinating and instructive in so many ways, but suffice to say at this time the rotation sense is a synesthesia of tha audiometric and the visual and the  Gustatory sense systems.

So what is boundarisarion? I perceive in the visual and kinaesthetic and auditory sense systems a form and variation in ratios within that form. The form itself has a property called relatedness or more formally relativistic motion. This relativistic motion has a distinction in the sensory measurement schema or procedures which I identify as boundaries. The iterative measurement procedures provide me with sufficient ratio information to be able to perceive a boundary between regions of ratios and to perceive regions via the sensory "arrays". By identifying these perceptions of distinctions I provide myself with a recognition procedure that is iterative and foundational to subsequent iterative processes and schema of perception at higher or more extensive levels.

At the level of distinguishing a form therefore I am able to perceive a global boundary or rather a spaciometric boundary as we ain't doing just geometry here! It is thus interesting to note the levels of perception of boundary as we alter attention and or focus on the form. It is curios to observe the flood of boundary ratio information that becomes available to perception as we do so. This is tantamount to the iterative processes going on more or less at an unconscious level, providing the CNS with continuous samplings of measurement data vis a vis the form I am focussing on..

Thus I am able to perceive the form, the surfaces the edges and the corners and the relative structural components of the form as a whole and it is this whole perception that has an inherent boundary Associated with it. This boundary is perceived but not apprehended and thus not comprehended initially. To apprehend a boundary I have to trace the boundary of the form. This tracing of the boundary is not just by pencil and tissue paper! It is in fact recognizing the perceived boundary and it's structure which will consist in parts of surfaces edges vertices or corners . These identified names represent a cultural decomposition of form at the boundary structure. Tracing the boundary then is tracing and identifying the forms surfaces structures and relationships in an entire form. This is spaciometric rotation.

It is clear then that spaciometric rotation is complex and is an activity that encompasses the whole form and it's parts. Because of this the kinaesthetic sensors are involved in the concept of spaciometric rotation  too,because I literally have to act to perform spaciometric rotation, whether it is just movement of the eyes or a movement of my entire body the kinaesthesia is engaged in tracing the boundary.

So as simple as it may be rotation is a fundamental whole organism notion which deserves to be axiomatic, but which reveals a richer understanding of my interaction with notFS when I do explore it.

NotFS by this definition has a structure of rotations within rotations at every scale and within every boundary. In addition the rotation clearly does not exclude extension or translational motion or relativistic motion.
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« Reply #106 on: July 16, 2010, 10:32:26 AM »

There is a fundamental realisation now apparent in spaciometry which is that boundarisation is a fundamental element of the topic. I have mentioned that rotation does not exclude translation, but it is now obvious that every translation is bounded by a rotation. Thus there are these fundamental motions in the topic of spaciometry : rotation and extension but every extension is a part of a spaciometric rotation. This is not obvious if one uses an abstract entity like a Euclidean line but in spaciometry such things are abstract tools. Thus any real spaciometric form is bounded and therefore within a spaciometric rotation. The idea is useful in that motion  especially relativistic motion does not then have to be perceived as motionless just bounded. Thus relativistic motion forms that is relativistic forms are bounded by a rotational motion which I have called a boundary. When I say rotation here I am saying spaciometric rotation, but the analogous idea needs to be explored by myself to find out how much this is already in use in mathematical activity. For example I can already see a connection to the Heine Boreal covering theorem,and certain discs and spheres used in Hausdorfs dimension theorems.
which leads me to suggest that  a serviceable theory of everything formula will naturally arise from a reference framework that emphasises rotation and extension. Such a non cartesian framework already exists and i think to pursue its development in spaciometric terms and in relativistic motion terms may be useful to my quest for the foundations of mathematics.
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« Reply #107 on: July 16, 2010, 11:03:42 AM »

 i probably need to look at clifford algebras as well, as i have a rough formulation of a relativistid reference framework based on binary heaps and pointer notation.
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« Reply #108 on: July 17, 2010, 01:02:30 PM »

I want to define a spaciometric locus or path that is a "curve" in a general sense not specified here.

The locus is a path that apprehends every boundary of a spaciometric form in sequential manner. this ;ocus will therefore by definition be a complex apaciometric rotation in general. I will call this a spaciometric vortex locus.

Some examples of a spaciometric vortex locus are a spiral and in particular a vorticular spiral.

While a vorticular spiral can encompass a simple form it may not deal with more complex shapes like trees etc. A combination of spiral vortices  may be needed to proscribe a complex form.

However a peano curve may be a special example of a vorticular spiral that can deal with complex spaciometric forms. Now i can define a length along a spaciometric spiral that proscribes a form as a spaciometric angle measure.of that form.

Thus a spaciometric spiral will be my tool for defining an angle measure in spaciometry where it makes sense, and i will take whatever element of a spaciometric  spiral necessary to make a useful set of distinctions and ratios.
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« Reply #109 on: July 17, 2010, 02:53:07 PM »

There is a particular spiral form that I will adapt for angle measure. And that is
P(r,r), in which the polar form indicates the tensor is ( Angle measure in length( a) around unit circle, radial length(r)) and a=r. This is a spaciometric formulation so it applies to so called 3d forms and surfaces not just to 2d surfaces.

This spiral is quite interesting and a challenge to construct without an existing reference framework. This highlights that every curve or formula is dependent on the referencing framework, and such a framework must exist or be constructed before it is used to reference from. So i have to use an existing framework to describe the curve that will be the reference framework!

I can use the standard polar coordinate framework or a modified one. I can use a unit circle  as an angle measure in radians from which i can ratio the radial length of the spirals locus from the origin. However to apply it to a spacometric  vorticular spiral i will need to use a second and third angle of orientation of the radial length to pick out regions on the spaciometric form P
(ø,Ω,¥,r). When this spaciometric spiral is determined, the points can be referenced by a spiral length ξ . The construction framework serves as a translation framework back to cartesian or polar coordinates.
 The spiral framework has to be fractally structured to cover the whole of the space as well as fractally divided along its spiral lengths to provide measurement criteria. This is truly a relativistic reference framework, relative to the form or forms that this vorticular  spiral ratios.

An orientation sphere has traditionally been the angle measure reference form, so a vorticlar spiral as an angle measure changes a whole lot!

I would attempt to trial this system with a slinky to see what it reveals.
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« Reply #110 on: July 18, 2010, 06:24:55 AM »

So it becomes apparent that using a vorticular spiral locus as a tool to reference frame a spaciometric form is only the beginning. A vorticular spiral is an abstract tool, which in all instances would lead to an infinite length in being applied to a spaciometric form. In practice i wold only use a finite lengthed vorticula spiral to reference frame a spaciometric form. But now it seemed to me that i was attempting to "wrap" the vorticular spiral around the form and i already know how to do this because wrapping spaciometric forms is a common activity, especially at christmas and birthdays!

So i realised that i could use a finite spaciometric surface to wrap a spaciometric form following a vorticular spiral locus. This wrapping would cover more of the spaciometic forms surfaces in a finite  lengthed  vorticular spiral  and would be called a vorticular spiral wrap.

Thus i defined the process of applying a finite vorticular spiral to a spaciometric form as wrapping the form;  the surface that is used to wrap the form as a vorticula spiral wrap; and the adjustment of the surface dimensions to achieve the best wrap as a process of optimising the wrap, that is finding the minimum finite dimensions for the maximum finite surface area of the form.

This is a bit like Dirac's instance integral in that the vorticular spiral locus wrapping the form will be the limit case of an optimisation process which may always have the same known value.

Now the theorem would be that every spaciometric form has a finite vorticular wrapping for each relativistic point of view.

It would then be nice to show a uniqeness of an optimised vorticular wrap for a relativistic view and a fixed vorticular spiral locus.

Now the sweet thing: a vorticular spiral locus and thus a vorticular spiral wrap is a relativistic reference framework for the form. This relativistic reference framework could totally represent the form. and in general all spaciometric forms could then be represented by vorticular spiral wraps.

This then means that any general equation is only dealing with one spaciometric structure for all forms in spaciometry: a vorticular spiral wrap.

Once the properties of vorticular spiral wraps are explored i imagine that they could be easily applied to all scales from the quantum to the classical, and would represent quantum characteristics at small scales because P(r,r/n) would characterise small wraps and P(r,n*r) would characterise large vorticular wraps where n is an increasing rational number.

Now i had some difficulty in visualising the construction of a vorticular spiral because i wanted to refer to a spaciometric form that was nascent not preloaded with presuppositions like the circle form does for angle measure. I know that i cannot stray to far from the trigonometric ratios in their fundamental descriptive power, but i did not want them to be apriori to the vorticular spiral. The solution to this for me is the use of the cone shape as an apriori measure just as the orientation sphere is the apriori measure for all orientation and angle. I will call it the spaciometric orientation cone from which vorticular spiral wraps may be determined. Of course cones are tangential to interior spheres the tangent forming a circle which lmplies trigonometric ratios are inherent in the cone measure, and also extends to ellipsoidal measures of ratio for vorticular spiral maps. The full conic sectional resources are accessible through this measure.

Field equations would then only have to be developed for vorticular spiral wraps to describe relativistic motion and relativistic motion transfer at any scale within any vorticular spiral reference frame, and the self similarity within the reference frame will be built in along with the iterative spiral process which to me means that the equations will produce and capture the  truly fractal nature of all things.

i posited once that all motion could be understood as traveling wave motion, and that inertia would relate to the establishing of a standing wave in an object to which momentum was being transferred, kind of like a latent heat function found in phase change scenarios. I did not know what i was talking about then and i do not know what i am talking about now  cheesy but i hope someone else does and finds it useful.  grin
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« Reply #111 on: July 19, 2010, 08:11:34 AM »

OMG vorticular spiral wraps are everywhere! the wave

One point in passing Using a unit sphere inside of a cone enables the vorticular spiral locus of a cone to be drawn from the cone apex, and the spiral length becomes the cone s spaciometric angle which using P(r,r) makes  the tangent length to the cone from the apex 2π.  surfing

The length of the spiral once drawn will have to be calculated or measured and a rule found.
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« Reply #112 on: July 20, 2010, 06:16:05 AM »

OMG cones are the business! If i draw a radius from the apex to the base of the cone and use this as a meridian i can spaciometrically rotate around the cone by : a circle, an ellipse, a parabola followed by a negative/ opposite parabola and 4 hyperbolas  each on an orthogonal plane to its intersecting neighbour. with parallel planes having the same hyperbola, and of course the spiral. Each of these rotating motions represents  periodic locii.

I can imagine these motions in the clock, the planets, the pendulum and the jointed pendulum, and in the watch spring( an old fashioned motive force) .

As to my exploration of finding the length of the spiral. A spaciometric investigation of the cylindrical helix led to a sketch of the conic curve shape, slightly different to a right angled triangle base 2π with a height that is the pitch of the triangle. Once  had identified a rough formula and a rough shape i found myself in the kitchen stirring rice pudding.

What's the best way to stir a pot? Well i have done this exercise many times over the years and am of the opinion that to stir in a circle is the least effective . My personal choice is to stir in a grid pattern. However today i had spirals and spiral wraps and vorticular spiral locii on my mind. The vorticular spiral locus into the centre of the pot and then out created a satisfying wave effect on the rice pudding surface as it heated up, but that is too much effort to do for long. i went for my simplest counter stir: semicircle, cross the pot then opposite semi circle, a figure of 8 type stir. Suddenly it reminded me of the yin yang symbol, a symbol i have already associated with vorticular motion. That created an interesting pattern on the rice pudding surface.

 Suddenly it dawned on me that this was like the triangular pattern i was looking for to measure the length of the spiral . After i dished up the rice pudding i considered the spaciometry of the yin yang symbol. it was then easy to see the spiral "comma" forms as two rotationally symmetrical nets for a cone!

The ratios were 1:2 for each net to the whole mandala and 1:1 for each net. In addition each net curled exactly up into a cone with each part of the inner S rotating into its rotational counterpart and the long tail curling in like a cats tail to finish off the  base of the cone.

I looked and i did not find this any where on the internet. So any chinese/ japanese monks who can tell me if this was already known  in their traditions would be welcome.

You see quite simply what i have is a net that gives me the spiral length simply and the two cones of the conic section models.
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« Reply #113 on: July 21, 2010, 07:58:46 AM »

So now i wake up this morning and i am simply stunned! Clearly the vast computational web i exist in has further processed this information cos i sure as hell have not! I was asleep , dreaming about life and stuff. Granted i had noticed the wave form in the centre of the mandala as i played with extending the cone net to make a cone with more and more spirals, more spaciometric rotations, more vortticular spiral wraps, and yes i had noticed that as i did this i ended up with a familiar and well known spiral form. The name of it, I thought was a semicircular spiral, after the method of its construction.

Researching this now, as an aside has been fascinating and i am going to name it the yin yang spiral, because i suspect it predates Archimedes and Fermat by a significant periodic length.

So back to the story:so i wake up and suddenly see everything is connected to this form of spiral! The cones , the spiral wraps, the spiral locii, the vorticular wave concept, the conic sectional motion concepts, the space time manifold concepts, the conception of how to tackle the Dirac equation, the Feynman field calculations, the vast and unending vorticular field concept of Maxwell( which some call the aetherand propse an aether wave theory but like Einstein my preference is to cut to the chase and sto the endless searching for some "mythical" substance and just let it be space that has all these properties or more specifically attributes. This is what i mean by space being substantive, and why i am porsuing a relativistic motion description of attributes.)

So it is all boiled down to this simple description: the yin yang spiral!

Then i noticed that a problem was shown to have a possible solution: How are a transverse plane oscillation and a radiating circular wave transport linked to a spiral form? I was constructing the solution by a compass and ruler in order to play with my cone nets!

Two interlocked spirals phase shifted were what i was drawing, then cutting out to curl back onto themselves to form cones, perfect cones, and that was only the beginning of my designs.

WTF What The F@ck ?? Have i stumbled into here!?  

Then almost as if to corroborate what i was thinking i remembered some space time manifold equations for Quasz which i have not published. You look and you judge!   

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« Reply #114 on: July 21, 2010, 08:20:45 AM »

Check this out !

And in addition i have pointed to general reference frameworks being, in general, tensors. I suspect that not all tensors thus defined will be invariant under transformation, so i introduced the names only for two more types of tensor Flexors and Growors. The intention in the names are clear i hope.

According to the way i am pursuing this, i have now my standard vorticular wraps in these Spiral Tensors and the length along a spiral is the Tensor reference system which will then uniquely determine a location in space relative to the spiral form the, observer, and the conical orientation standards.

I cannot avoid the connection to DNA as a reference framework for biological structures and so i will refer to these vorticular wrap tensors as DNA tensors.

A note about my language and style.

Some of you guys and gals  may be put off, not only by the word maths, but also by the way i put words togeher, and "needlessly" complicate words instead of simplifying them. And also apparently i might be a bit of a Mr. Micawber in these tendencies. To you  i apologise.

However that is not to say i can change my style, because as i frequently point out much of what i write i do not myself fully understand. So while this is not quite mediumistic automatic writing, or dictation from spirit guides, etc laugh it very nearly feels like it sometimes!

I explain it as a kind of channeling from the universal computation that is going on all around us to which i contribute my part by thinking. Garbage in garbage out applies here. So if i ask the right questions my brain is able to access and download the right kind of answers and process it into a form i can understand and utilise. It just so happens that efficiency demands the most information in the shortest form which unfortunately means very concise and terse language forms with as much redundancy squeezed out as possible.

As a case in point: from my understanding or rather apprehension of english grammatical forms there should exist a word for vortex whirling motion. I decided it would be "vorticular". i had no idea if the word existed or not it suited my needs, and after all these pages, although they have an open invitation to all to comment, are in the form of a journal, a diary of notes to myself.

So i will leave it up to you to find out if the word exists or not, but i could equally as well use helix, helical, conical helix, vorticose, vorticial etc. Words are tools, however, and the particular forms i choose represent a focus of investigation. And i am investigating and exploring vortices.
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« Reply #115 on: July 21, 2010, 11:26:50 AM »

If i said to you that a yin Yang is a fundamental measuring tool for particle physicists, would that seem odd to you? rolling on floor laughing
Can you see how much fun i can have with this?!

Its a kind of 3d protractor related to the spaciometric conical orientation standard, and would be applied as a kind of vorticular wrap.

This yin yang tool would measure the cone angle and reference the associated DNA tensor. So now i got to figure how binary heap math is involved with all this.
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« Reply #116 on: July 22, 2010, 06:30:06 AM »

Another use of the yin yang mandala is to describe earthquakes. If i extend the yin yang using the semicircle spiral pattern and then join the two centres of the yin yang by a line, i can translate the two parts of the diagram along the line. So simpy i have split the yin yang by translation and made the nested semi circles obvious on both sides of the line.

Sliding these two sets of semi circles past each other enables me to create different spiral patterns.

the relation to earthquakes is the circular radiating compression wave sliding past each other either side of the slipping rift.
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« Reply #117 on: July 22, 2010, 06:37:08 AM »

This may mean that a vortex will produce a radiating compression with an opposing translation along a spiral diameter, or that a radiating compression and a translation along a line through the source of the compression in opposing directions will generate a vortex, or spin or "angular" momentum.
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« Reply #118 on: July 23, 2010, 08:14:45 AM »

The ying yang 3d television system: first have a binocular camera system with each lense scanning 180 degrees out of phase onto a yin yang camera sensor. The arrangement of the pixels on the sensor and on the tv screen will  be yin yang

                r         g  b
               b g         r

The binocular signal would raster across the screen in opposite directions so that the shortest light path favoured the requisite eye. With tuning of the raster speed, the pixel distance for the yin yang screen and or camera sensor , and testing for epilepsy should produce interesting diffraction patterns that the visual system can interpret in 3d.


Now the paths around a cone can be recorded in a spiral wrap of a spherical object. The paths are s  p and d, and i would venture a fourth one called e.

The s is for a circular path and e is for an elliptical path. These would represent the s shells from the Schroedinger wave equation solutions.

The p is for parabolic and this would represent the p shells from the schroedinger equation solutions.

The d is for hyperbolic and represents the d shells

Finally there is the spiral which i have not found an analogue for in the solutions for the schroedinger yet but would guess at a spin solution. The spiral on the cone would project onto the sphere as a loxodrome.

 A yin yang spiral group would wrap a sphere, but orientation and spiral chirality are important on a cone, and the spaciometric vorticular spiral wrap produces a kind of inside out cone as well as a more familiar cone.
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« Reply #119 on: July 23, 2010, 09:46:41 AM »

Looking closely at the physical manifestation in quasz of a so called yin yang centre is instructive. Close obsertvation shows me that while these are not spirals they ain't circles either!  My guess is that they are a set of nested near circular ellipsoids.

When i think about the idea of a vorticular wave therefore i have to pick out the conic section forms that may mimic it. So i have not yet drawn a set of nested ellipses and split them on their common diameter so as to slide them past each other, nor have i yet done so for the parabola or the hyperbola.

Now thinking about earthquakes and the compression and shear waves s and p helps me to understand that ellipsoidal waves could explain earthquake damage near the epicentre, but further away the sequence is more marked due to the time difference in arriving at a point. So while a spiral might encompass the points of destruction it is not a straightforward example of a vorticular spiral wave, but rather a testimony to the vorticular spiral framework which can describe these spatial arrangements.

The relativistic framework may possibly be represented by the tensor V(r,ζ ) where r is a tensor spanning the space, and ζ  is the spiral length to a point in the object reference by r. r references the apex of the spiral wrap- which i will now l use to refer to the general vorticular spiral wrap.
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