It's about time I joined this forum :)

[Far]

Hello, I'm Jess. I've been making fractal art for about six years, mostly using UF but also dabbling in Apophysis. I've been hearing a lot about this forum lately and decided I'd see what it's like. Last but not least, if you spend time at deviantArt, you may know me as FarDareisMai.

[Thunderwave]

Hello!  I am the same name.  I caused the havoc on the fractal poll and actually started the whole issue of the gallery. Glad you are here and I hope things are cool at dA soon.

Welcome!

[lycium]

greetings fellow deviants! 

[cKleinhuis]

hello and welcome to the forums, my deviant account is trifox77

[Sockratease]

Hello and Welcome   

I never got much into DA, but have an account there and was a bit noisy in the discussion about miscategorizing fractals.

I'm not as concerned as most about defining "fractal art" so it can be "categorized" by their admins.  Not a popular point of view over there...

[Far]

Thunderwave - I wouldn't worry about the poll and category discussions too much. It's barely a blip on the radar compared to some of the massive uproars and downright nasty fights I've seen. That said, I DO hope it can come to a good solution.

Lyc - Long time no see. How have you been?

Trifox - Nice to meet you! I really like the lastest fractal you have on your dA account. Quirky, off-the-wall stuff like that appeals to me.

Sockratease - While I understand the practical side of dA's categories (on a site that huge, lumping everything together would be utter chaos), I agree that it is very unfortunate that it has to devolve into those kind of squabbles.

[Sockratease]

...While I understand the practical side of dA's categories (on a site that huge, lumping everything together would be utter chaos), I agree that it is very unfortunate that it has to devolve into those kind of squabbles.

I heard that argument over at DA as well.

Would it be silly to point out that Deviant Art is the ONLY place I ever heard of that thinks Chaos and Fractals *Don't* go together??

[Far]

Lol, touché, sir. My main point was merely that dA houses far more than just fractals. While many fractalists might be at home with chaos, try convincing an anime artist, for example, of the same thing. Hence, I think the "large scale" categories, separating anime from fractals from photography from emoticons from poetry from sculpture, et cetera, are practical. Of course there are a few grey areas, but by and large, it makes sense.

But the exclusionist "Not fractal enough for MY gallery" attitude is a different beast all together, and far more senseless and frustrating.

[Sockratease]

That's right...  You don't know me   

I tend to do a lot of blending fractals with other things, and blending other things with fractals.

Also, I am a Sarcaleptic - I have Uncontrollable bouts of Sarcasm.

I was not being 100% serious with that last joke.

But as far as DA goes, I agree.  My position was that if it has Fractals in it, or is related, and the Artist wants it in the Fractal Gallery - doing so hurts nobody.  It should be up to the Artist unless they can prove it harms the community for an image only partially fractal to be in the Fractal Gallery.

I wonder how things turned out over there?

Any word yet?

Or word about when there will be a word?

[cKleinhuis]

ehrm, may i notice that our gallery here also lacks categorization ?
in fact we just have "Linked to Boards" ( the rate my picture ) and several fractal generator categories

and, may i mention my idea of a categorization ?
yes do so sir!




ok, my point is that keywording would be sufficent categorization for collection of images ... an images can contain several keywords e.g. mandelbrot, ultrafractal, abstract

so, all the keywords pinned to a picture make up top level categories ... if you then follow this toplevel section, the sub sections are made of all pictures containing the current category keyword and all distinct remaining keywords

this would be highly dynamic ( large node tables, or full text database search ) but very effective in concerns of organizing the stuff, comparable to the wikimedia organization of stuffs ...

perhaps if i find some time i will implement this feature for the fractalforums gallery ( i am web programmer )
 
or perhaps i could use it for my damn bachelor thesis....

[twinbee]

ok, my point is that keywording would be sufficent categorization for collection of images

Agreed, I love the idea of metadata and keywords as the main form of categorization for so many different reasons. One is that an image can be in more than one category at once of course. Trifox, make a rival to Deviant Art using your system!

I wish the directory system on OSs was like this too. I even made an article about it:

http://www.skytopia.com/project/articles/filesystem.html

Welcome to the forum Far!

[cKleinhuis]

you know, the gallery features single keyword browsing, i will try to extend that to an overview page of keywords,
and then on keywords view page with a list of contained keywords in the children

i will put that on my experiments list, hope  i can finish it soon enough

in my eyes the following actions can appear on sub keywords:
an "AND" browsing is like sub folder, finer selection
an "OR" browsing is like extending the view
an "EXCLUSIVE" is setting a new root

ok, my point is that keywording would be sufficent categorization for collection of images

Agreed, I love the idea of metadata and keywords as the main form of categorization for so many different reasons. One is that an image can be in more than one category at once of course. Trifox, make a rival to Deviant Art using your system!

I wish the directory system on OSs was like this too. I even made an article about it:

http://www.skytopia.com/project/articles/filesystem.html

Welcome to the forum Far!

[Thunderwave]

and, may i mention my idea of a categorization ?
yes do so sir!

ok, my point is that keywording would be sufficent categorization for collection of images ... an images can contain several keywords e.g. mandelbrot, ultrafractal, abstract

so, all the keywords pinned to a picture make up top level categories ... if you then follow this toplevel section, the sub sections are made of all pictures containing the current category keyword and all distinct remaining keywords

this would be highly dynamic ( large node tables, or full text database search ) but very effective in concerns of organizing the stuff, comparable to the wikimedia organization of stuffs ...

perhaps if i find some time i will implement this feature for the fractalforums gallery ( i am web programmer )
 
or perhaps i could use it for my damn bachelor thesis....

Sort of like this?
http://seadragon.com/snapdragon/

Type in fractal or fractals and see what you get.

[Far]

I wonder how things turned out over there?

Any word yet?

Or word about when there will be a word?

Not really, unfortunately. There was a chat with the current gm, but nobody came to any real conclusions. Her general stance is that she has far too many blatantly obvious non-fractals on her hands to worry about the ones that a few individuals might consider "borderline." That seems a sensible attitude to me... but of course, it's only a matter of time until someone creates drama, so who knows.

[Thunderwave]

Here's a link to the fractal moderator's poll on the issue of the fractal gallery.
http://dragonwinter.deviantart.com/journal/poll/1354655/

If anyone were to cause an issue, I'm sure it will show up here.
Otherwise, it seems to be fine. By the looks of it so far, more people want a change.

Honestly, I am not trying to get them to clarify what fractals are anymore, since most people really haven't shown me they want to know.  In fact more have told me they don't care.  Which explains why a lot of images are miscats!

Oh well....