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quaz0r
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« Reply #60 on: December 01, 2015, 11:08:54 PM »
yes i know the word argument has more meanings than "a heated confrontation."  jeez, you just cant stop talking down to me can you  grin
and yes, i am also familiar with the idea of a circular argument.  an example on the wikipedia page for circular reasoning is "Whatever is less dense than water will float, because whatever is less dense than water will float."  my statement was not really intended (nor written?) as "writing to C arrays is thread safe because writing to C arrays is thread safe," the point was simply "writing to C arrays is thread safe whereas writing to std containers in the same manner is not thread safe."  to use the stuff that floats analogy, i said "boats float, whereas rocks sink," not "boats float because boats float."  if you wanted to respond to my statement in a weird, unprovoked, passive aggressive way, it would have made more sense to just say "that is obvious. i already knew that."  calling it a circular argument is neither accurate nor...called for?  as again, i thought this was a discussion board, not a debate club or...whatever...
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« Reply #61 on: December 01, 2015, 11:21:50 PM »
head batting
cheesy
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quaz0r
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« Reply #62 on: December 01, 2015, 11:27:06 PM »
lol  smiley
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« Reply #63 on: December 02, 2015, 02:19:54 PM »
Ok!
Yesterday, it was late, I was tired...

Returning back and reading more carefully:
Quote from: lycium on December 01, 2015, 10:02:28 PM
A simple way around this is to make N vectors (for N threads) and then just write into the vector indexed by omp_get_thread_num(). Combine after processing is done.
And:
Quote from: lycium on December 01, 2015, 10:09:58 PM
(...) the idea is to not have mutex locking, atomics, etc.
It was these ideas That I found genius.

Quote from: quaz0r on December 01, 2015, 10:05:31 PM
my own preference is to just use a normal C array and write into that.  it is thread safe as long as your threads stick to their own designated ranges of the array.
I also found this idea awesome.

I did a fast test with <array> and found that the overhead of not using reserve() is not terrible. Therefore and because using c arrays raises the problem of correct amount of memory to allocate. I will use lycium's idea.

Finally, big apologies to both of you and thank you very much for your awesome ideas.  smiley
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« Reply #64 on: December 02, 2015, 02:49:02 PM »
You're too kind, and please don't apologise on my behalf  A Beer Cup
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« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2015, 03:57:16 PM »
I didn't. I was talking for myself.
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« Reply #66 on: December 02, 2015, 04:04:38 PM »
Oh, ehm, I meant, not need to apologise to me / because of anything I said etc. Anyhow, glad we're cool  A Beer Cup (I don't actually drink beer either, but the symbolism is there)

Edit: one last thing about the std::vector, on Windows/MSVC you'll want to build with _SECURE_SCL=0 defined in the preprocessor settings. This is what I was referring to earlier about making them same perf to access as arrays; afaik GCC etc doesn't do range checking.
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« Reply #67 on: December 02, 2015, 04:57:18 PM »
Quote from: http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/container/vector
at   access specified element with bounds checking
(public member function)

Quote from: http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/container/vector
operator[]   access specified element
(public member function)

is micros~1 really so nonstandard that you have to turn off bounds checking for operator[] ?  i guess it wouldnt surprise me  sad
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« Reply #68 on: December 05, 2015, 09:23:49 AM »
Quote from: quaz0r on December 02, 2015, 04:57:18 PM
is micros~1 really so nonstandard that you have to turn off bounds checking for operator[] ?  i guess it wouldnt surprise me  sad
Wow! This topic have many replies. COOL!
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« Reply #69 on: December 05, 2015, 12:21:34 PM »
What tools and algortihms are you using ?
Can it be done in Mathematica ?
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« Reply #70 on: December 05, 2015, 04:17:24 PM »
IMHO results are more important that tools.
Questions about algorithms, precision of computations are very important.

BTW :
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1508.02935.pdf

HTH
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« Reply #71 on: December 11, 2015, 05:19:23 PM »
Finally got multithreading to work using c++11, so not with pthreads. I'll try to post the code next sunday after some cleaning.

Quote from: cyseal on December 05, 2015, 12:21:34 PM
What tools and algortihms are you using ?
Can it be done in Mathematica ?
It should be possible.

Quote from: Adam Majewski on December 05, 2015, 04:17:24 PM
BTW :
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1508.02935.pdf
Interesting.
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The total number of iterations required to find all roots was 3 056 825 939 654 ≈ 2.78d² (...) The total number of Newton iterations required, while theoretically bounded above by O(d2log4d)
Lawrence's method is probably O(d log d). Mine is maybe between O(d log d) and O(d log2d).
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« Reply #72 on: December 13, 2015, 12:07:58 PM »
Here it is.
Computes one million roots in 22.5 seconds on a i7.  afro
* mandelroots.zip (5.65 KB - downloaded 169 times.)
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« Reply #73 on: December 13, 2015, 02:01:04 PM »
hey people, regarding a database, if you still think it is useful, i prepared a project able to store roots for various formulas, it is not finished yet
and user accounts need to be created, but here you have a swagger2 api definition from the live backend:
http://qa.feuerware.com:8100/ufp-api/v2/api-docs

the idea is:
- create formulas
- store polynomal roots with formula reference, rootindex, iteration depth
- numbers are submitted as arbitrary long strings, and get stored as 18 digits of long for searching through the results

as soon as i am happy with the setup i will provide a tutorial on how to use the api, in general every user would need an account,
but perhaps we can keep the reading of results in a public manner as long as server says "yes" wink
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« Reply #74 on: December 13, 2015, 03:30:42 PM »

BTW
There is also MPFR program by Claude :
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Fractals/Mathematics/Newton_method#center
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