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« Reply #60 on: December 22, 2013, 11:02:50 AM »

Hallo Jehovajah,

thank you very much for the links to the lecturs of Leonard Süsskind on you tube.

From Süsskind I found this lecture on the radiation of black holes.
He gives a deep view in this subjects and his discussions with Steven Hawkins.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/KR3Msi1YeXQ&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/KR3Msi1YeXQ&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>

Professor Süsskind has also written a book on this issue.
The text can be heard trough the following link.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/lxmJZ623L0w&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/lxmJZ623L0w&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
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« Reply #61 on: December 26, 2013, 05:18:56 PM »

The plasma universe
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/h24ZqDL&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/h24ZqDL&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/CMFvMO4pMac&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/CMFvMO4pMac&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>

The aether is an old idea which has a physical manifestation as plasma. Or put it another way round the various ethers are abstracted notions of the various plasmas! The overarching abstraction, the Aether is the most esoteric!
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/l0Ae5fXy4Zk&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/l0Ae5fXy4Zk&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
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« Reply #62 on: December 27, 2013, 08:14:30 AM »

Thanks Hermann for the posts, particularly the audio of Susskind's book!

I have just come to some insight on the notion Förderung in my meditation on Grassmanns 1844 Die Ausdehnungslehre. This notion I want to study the etymology of in German, but I already know that it is a special aspect of analogous thinking. Logos Analogos underpins deep and rational meditation of an individual experience in and of space.

In my thread on the foundations of mathematics I exposit the axiom of acceptance. This underpins the notions of Logos Analogos, analogous thinking and Förderung. I need a starting scenario. Because I am a complex entity with a hugely complex sensory network, I cannot start with one point! I have to start with one scenario. That scenario feeds, establishes and is fed into and established by my proprioceptive processing structures. These functional structures provide me with a sense of self and other which is my fundamental Förderung, from which I , by accepting , start my own synthesis of my reality.

You see I have a choice. I can accept what sensory map is presented to me by my unconscious processing or I can reject it and wait for it to present me with another rendition! According to what I accept is what I perceive and how easy or difficult I find various out flowing processes and inflowing processing.

I have a choice and I can devote myself to the consequence of my choice having made it  or change again.

The difficulty is in changing when so much of your life and life's work may depend on what you have accepted.

Förderung is the kind of order and arrangement you have accepted or need to accept to move forward, to develop, to synthesise something which you deeply believe has it's own intrinsic value and which is worth an investment of time and effort and promoting to others, urging or inspiring them to follow suit or to join in the adventure!

It is now clear that theoretical philosophy uses Förderung all the time, in that philosophy of physics deeply relies on these principles of analogy and representation.
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« Reply #63 on: December 27, 2013, 07:38:34 PM »



Today I was in the Mountains with my Ski's. Kreuzeckbahn Garmisch-Partenkirchen.
A bright day. This light can give a lot of energy.

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« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2013, 07:22:21 AM »

Hallo Jehovajah,

I am very impressed by the time and energy you spend for this project. I have the problem that I have to spend most of my time in the office of my company to get some money at the end of the month. So if I would devote my life to science and art I would have the problem how to finace my life. I heard once that Tycho Brahe devotet his life to astronomie. I asked my self how he could finance his decision? I found out, that he was a danish nobel man who got the island Ven from the danish king. The people of the island had to pay hight taxes to finace his life, and even generations later they have a bad memory on him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tycho_Brahe
The measurements of Brahe are the basics of the work of Kepler which lead to the work of Newton.

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P.S I should have read Benjamin Graham when I was very young.
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« Reply #65 on: December 29, 2013, 09:50:03 AM »

Today I have watched an impressive presentation or Roger Penrose. Aeons before the Big Bang.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/4YYWUIxGdl4&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/4YYWUIxGdl4&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>

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« Reply #66 on: December 29, 2013, 07:46:00 PM »

You hit upon a solid realisation Hermann. We are told what to think and who to revere. Especially as children we are moulded into what certain elements in society wish us to become.

Is all hope lost, then? No!

The very same power some seek to exercise over others reacts back over them in a vorticular law of " nature". What goes round comes round. Those that sow a wind reap a whirlwind! Etc.

As you know I admire Newton, not least because he is a son of the county in which I live. But I am not blind to his human side, nor that of Euclid, Grassmann or any other who I call my teachers or Guru's.

In the end I do not seek to pass on their teachings, nor even my own discoveries. I seek to survive and to sacrifice wisely. For we all survive by the sacrifice of others.

If now, what I uncover, create or even implicitly state inspires or is of use to another they are welcome to it and in that way benefited from all that benefits me.

"I " am grateful to all those trillions of cells that collaborate to make a system that can behave as I do in order to survive for the most part and to sacrifice for the rest!

Peace be unto you and all your household, and prosperity in this new year. Never give up your wish or your dream. By and by you will receive the greater part of it!
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« Reply #67 on: December 30, 2013, 08:17:07 AM »

Thankyou for the inspiring picture!

I am sure being that much closer to the energy in the upper atmosphere is exhilarating, not to mention the lower atmospheric pressure, lower oxygen levels promoting a responsive homeostatic recalibration.

The frequencies of the light also promote good vibes!

Thanks for the video of Penrose theoretical explorations.

Of course I have expressed an opinion on the laws of Thermodynamics as popularly expressed, and on the second law in particular.

The relation to light is intuitively obvious, but physically less clear. Nevertheless I venture that theoreticians utilise the concept of entropy incorrectly, because they disconnect thermodynamics from the rest of physics in a curious way!

It is due to the respectful nature of some physicists not wishing to antagonise heat engineers, who after al have the practical,skills that run the heat engines of our technological society. In addition, not many theoretical physicists are as dedicated and careful as Carnot. They merely take his principles and run with the wind!

I never advise considering entropy outside its proper context of Enthalpy. The complete energy or heat in a system and it's environment modify the apprehension and application of the concept of entropy significantly.

Of course when one mathematically defines entropy one opens pnforas box!

One cannot disregard the strong religious bias of the early Victorian ngineers, or hom CEOs was the ievitbe outcome of a nature without the Christian God, or the empire of His rule! In that regard, they lifted entropy out of the normal heat engine cycle of evaporation and condensation! But in fact heat was a mystery long before that. Heat was and is the Peary kinaesthetic energy of transmutation. It is by our proprioceptive apprehension of it that we evn have the notion of different forms of work transmuting into each other. We know that our muscles get hot as we exert , and tht warm or cold food fuels this heat exchange within our bodies.

It is instructive to go into the biological system of energy transportation within the body. Suffice it to say that it is an electro chemical reaction process that is cyclical.
I will,not go into the ATP cycle but will remark that the electron is deemed to play a key role, and of course where the " electon" concept is used I have to disassociate that into magnetic and electric behaviours.

We understood already that light is a material phenomenon. That is it is not apprehensible without matter. But we alo,assent to the so called electromagnetic nature of light. Finally we. Acknowledge a spectrum of frequencies of light. One of these range of frequencies, the infra red is the most closely associated with kinaesthetic and proprioceptive experience called heat .

To keep it conceptually simple I invent 3 characters : Thermo, Electro and Magneto. In fact Thermo I might better call Thermolucent, to emphasise his direct relationship to light. However if I do that I must also draw attention to the full name of Magnetolucent and Electrolucent! I cannot justifiably distinguish them otherwise.

The three triplets therefore behave in contradictory way. Thermo tends to break down and destroy hat electro and magneto work together to build! Magneto is quite ponderous and has great gravitas, while electo is light and flits from place to place at lightning speeds. Electro seems the most ephemeral of the three, as if he is hardly there, but that is because he is everywhere, setting this up, reordering that, smoothing out a chink, preparing the finishing touches for Magneto to organise into a synthetic whole.

In the meantime Thermo rattles the fabric of space as Magneto chunks it into a concentrated whole. Wherever Electo has been Thermo is not far behind. Unsettling what Electo has settled , scattering neat arrays into scenes of trauma .

Because of this it is imperative that Electro out run and out manoeuvre Thermo, restoring order as much as possible. At lower frequencies electro can easily do this, but at higher frequencies Thermo and Electro entwine with one another at the speed of light. At these frequencies Thermo is light, x rays , gamma rays and beyond. But also at these frequencies  Magneto and Electro are formidable , trapping Thermo in bubbles of energy, forming a fractal region of seething radiating rotating bubbles of energy.
  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/YqM&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/YqM&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>

So now the question of entropy increasing is contextualised. In the mythological description I have given it is clear that regions of differing energy densities are exposited, distributed according to frequency . However these entropic distributions are symptomatic of the current state of the measured volume. The implication is that a dynamic equilibrium order is extant in any system. Thus over " time " one would expect a system to equilibriate to  lower states of entropy, that is any fixed system will become cooler, more condensed and more ordered.

The injection of " heat" from an external source will raise the entropy to a maximum level after which it will radiate to a lower level providing the external source is removed.

The question is where do these " hot" spots come from?

The answer I give is that if you do not accept the Zoroastrian concept of an arrow of time pointing to the final judgment, then the cyclical or more generally vorticular dynamics discussed above will always provide hot, cold and lukewarm spots in a Fractal distribution around the universe, as an open system.

The nature of the extremes of hot and cold we have still to discover. But accepting, for sake of argument, Einstein Cosmology Black holes may be the source and sink of these 2 parameters. That is extreme cold at the centre of a black hole and extreme heat at the event horizon. Or, more naturally, extreme cold at the event horizon with extreme heat at the centre. In that case I say that the black hole has to emit some radiation beyond light radiation to be abe to shine in the measurable spectra, or Black holes as gravitational phenomena are questionable.

It is entirely feasible that geometric structures in dynamic or mechanical  motion are all I can consistently describe and measure.
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« Reply #68 on: December 31, 2013, 11:04:19 AM »

I have watched a video displaying clashing Förderung. The clash is not really an argument, but an assertion of Förderung.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/e3uiR&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/e3uiR&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
in the meantime Laz Plath's java script app helps me to visualise how radial extension and relative frequency of relative rotation develop complex surface patterns as TEM step fronts.
 http://home.comcast.net/~trochoid/TroWithMesh.html
As i intimated above, the TEM surface also encapsulates what we call Thermal Energy in a bubble, but because our mathematicians inerpret in 2 dimensions mostly, because 3+ dimensions is conceptually hard, Theoretical Physicists often pick the wrong analogues to explain what they are doing, and then they confuse themselves and us. And i include Newton in this conceptual confusion. The best that can be said of him is that he was generally less confused than most.

There is an anti relativity movement afoot so keep your eyes peeled and ears open. As usual, these scientific dissents are more about the concept that there is a "Truth" that is being obscured by Scientists who have a financial and career investment in maintaining the status quo . While this is certainly the case i disagree with the concept of Truth. This is why Förderung has such meaning for me. Förderung represents a model of the experience of empirical data mixed with a wish for it to be so, or a hypothesis, or conjecture. Every situation the model successfully explains improves confidence in that Förderung.

However, then aesthetics kicks in: if the explanation is too inelegant some look for a more elegant solution, while some look for a simpler more intuitive model! This will never change. One old guard will be replaced by another but the end reorganization will result in these same behaviours.  We cannot escape the vorticular nature of our experience, because we exist in and of vorticular spacematter.
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« Reply #69 on: January 01, 2014, 11:39:43 AM »

This post is more about the thermal nature of these radioactive material than the scam.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/UXgqTtMHcBk&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/UXgqTtMHcBk&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
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It demonstrate how the nature of matter is in fact an electro Thermo magneto complex. By positing atoms and molecules, we tend to think of solid or fluid elements separated from the natural anode cathode circuit in a Crookes Ray tube, for example. But in fact the positron, the neutron and the electron are a miniature model of an electric circuit with a magnetic intermediary ( the neutron). The model then portrays a heat source derived from these fundamental behaviours of an electric circuit. In the end we may simply describe it as circulating energy fields which we perceive as heat or light or electromagnetic radiation!

The Spaciometry of these rotating fields is vorticular, but that does not mean it looks like a cone! The easiest natural object to compare it to is a rotating bubble which rotates in a tumble, and only occasionally like a gyroscope.
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« Reply #70 on: January 01, 2014, 02:06:25 PM »

Version 1.0 to be continued.

Thanks  Jehovajah for the following video, which was very inspiering for me and I now have started to write down some of my idears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3uiR-BIF0A&feature=youtu.be

[url http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3uiR-BIF0A&feature=youtu.be]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3uiR-BIF0A&feature=youtu.be[/url
To make things a bit clearer I will repeat a part of my post on Coulomb's law:

Todays theorie tells us that the two particles electron and positron will perform annihilation of one another when they come close together and the energy of the two particles will be transformed info two \gamma gamma photones. Where gamma photones are the particels of the electromagnetic wave at high frequencies. The following Feynman diagram describes this process.


That shows, that matter can be transformed into elektormagnetic waves. Also the energy is resticted by the mass of the two particles and their kinetic energie. The energie that is assinged to a mass of a particle can be calculated to Einsteins famous formula E = mc^2. The energie of a photon depents on it's frequency \nu. According to the following formula: E = h\nu and h is Plank's constant.
It is also possible to produce an electron positron pair from a photon, if the photon has sufficient energie.

Today we have basicly three theories for describing electormagnetic phenomena. These are the classical elektrodynamic, quantum electrodynamics and in partical physics the electroweak interaction. The electroweak theory combines electromagnetic interactions with weak interactions.

If we take a look back on classical elektrodynamic we find right to the beginning of this theory coulombs law:

Coulomb's law in vacum:

 \vec F = \frac {1}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \cdot \frac {q_1 \cdot q_2}{r^2}

The first important milestone in the development of electrodynamics is the publishing of Coulomb's law. Discovered around the year 1785 by the french physicist Charles Augustin de Coulomb. Where this law describes the force F between two particles with the charges q1 and q2 which are placed at a distance r. The direction of the force is on a straight line between the two particels.
 
Remember, that there are two different kinds of charges positive and negative, which have a fundamental influence on the direction of the forces. The force is attracting if the two charges have different sign and is repelling if the two charges have the same sign.

In this law one can see already the first problem. If the distance between the two particles become zero, the forces on the two particles go to infinit. This is of special importance if we have point like particles like the elektron and the positron. These two particles attract one another and will produce infinit forces and hence infinit energies when they come closer together.

From experiment we know that energie, momentum and charge are conseved when the elektron and the positron crash. But the elektron and the positron disappeared. What happened to them?

The Elektron Positron Crash

When I take Coulomb's law and combine it with Einsteins theories of relativety I get bewildering results!

An elektron has a mass. Knowing this mass of an elektron one can calculate ist Schwarzschild radius:

\begin{equation}<br />	\boxed { r_{s_e} = 2a = \frac{2GM_e}{c^2} }<br />\end{equation}

A positron has the same mass as the elektron. (Remember that they are seen as point like partikels and hence they have the radius 0 if this theory is correct they should already be black holes) on the other hand because of Coulomb's law to different charges like an elektron and a positron are gain more velocity as closer they come. This will lead to greater mass depending on the velocity. The mass will go to infinit if particels have the speed of licht.
This is governed by the following formula from Einsteins theorie of special relativity:

\begin{equation}<br />\boxed {m = \frac {m_0}{\sqrt{1 - \frac {v^2}{c^2}}}<br />\end{equation}<br />

So the mass of the elektron and the postitron will increase. So the Schwarzschild Radius will increase.
On the other hand time will slow down, if mass and velocity increases.

<br />\begin{equation}<br />\boxed {t = \frac{t_0}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}}<br />\end{equation}<br />

What is this all about?

We life in a relative stable world so what stops the creation of black holes?

For this look at part two of the discussion of "The Electron as a Black Hole" the uncertainty principle.
http://www.fractalforums.com/complex-numbers/light/90/
I also will start a to do list in this post later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfYon2WdR40

Where does mass come from? Todays top theorie is that the Higgs Boson gives particels their mass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqNg819PiZY

The Video of Prof. Dr. Anton Zeilinger - Nicht lokalität in der Quantenphysik is now in a later post.
With some background Information. It also opens another topic and so its better to have it in a later post.

Hermann

Look also at Part II of this discussion.
http://www.fractalforums.com/complex-numbers/light/90/
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I know you haven't finished this yet but I can already see where this is going. You should probably check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_in_general_relativity#Questions.2C_answers.2C_and_simple_examples_of_mass_in_general_relativity the second question there. (Or the source http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/BlackHoles/black_fast.html )
Basically, your formula is true in special relativity. But Black Holes require general relativity and thus a much more complex formula.
Black holes do not form from going fast.
However, a few questions below that, movement does have an influence on gravity. What exactly this influence is, is hard to quantify and depends on what type of mass you're looking at: Surprisingly, mass in general relativity is neither unique nor always definable.
What movement does is to cause non-uniform gravitational fields and also an average increase in gravitational force.
But since mass isn't actually the source of gravity in general relativity (it's actually the stress-energy tensor), a stronger gravitational field doesn't mean more mass. It means more energy.
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« Reply #72 on: January 03, 2014, 08:09:43 AM »

Thanks Hermann.
Please continue to develop your idea. I used to be spurred on by getting to grips with an issue in my own way. At times I would think" I am discovering new things!" but later I would say" I am discovering ideas new to me!"
Indeed everything is relative

By evaluating your thoughts as worthy of consideration, and being tough enough to allow public scrutiny of them you can really find where your unique processing makes the difference.

Consensus wisdom and expositions are only starting points, not finishing points! In fact We progress when we review past consensus from new vantage points.

You could say relativity is nearly 100 years old, time for a review! Or you could say wasn't Einstein, Minkoeski, Poincaré etc etc weren't they geniuses beyond our critique! It is up to you.

Thanks too Kram1032. This long held consensus is finally achieving its goal, the paradigm shift from judeo Christian theological certainty to an Indo Greek pan theology. The Jain concepts of primordial reality , the inchoate aether could not have progressed in ultra conservative America, if Einstein had not redefined the principles of Mechanics and Physics mathematically. Later he appealed for the aether to be allowed back into scientific discourse!

Because few do review, few understand Newton and his influence on Einstein. Einstein himself was not aware of the Newtonian influence that came via the Grassmanns. The Principia is an Astrological text, that imbues a radical metaphysical philosophy garnered by Newton from many ancient thinkers. But one principal principle was to replace concepts by measures. Not only did this help to sharpen the concepts, but it also enabled proportional philosophical discussion, discourse and geometrical construction.

Turning to the measure mass, this was defined as a geometric proportion of another measure called density, and a purely intuitive geometric measure called volume. In fact it was a quadratic proportion of these 2 measures.

The unfamiliar concepts in special and general relativity arise from the quadratic nature of many proportions in Newyon's scheme of measures. Einstein was just brave enough to allow the usual enforced linkage to move relatively or independently.

The logical bais for allowing this kind of behaviour is not physicl or mathematical. It is Philosophical. The deep principles that Suuskind refers to are philosophical principles. Some are even psychological ones!

Einstein wanted to make his subject more accessible, but without the Aether he could not. Both Newton and all other radical thinkers, Euler, Maxwell etc could use the aether to embed their physical intuitions. Einstein could not, and so his equations mark a wholesale departure from accessible physics!

Many physicists today struggle to find the everyday analogues of the mathematical terms they manipulate so frenziedly.

Scientists are seeking a way back into the everyday common sensical metaphors that they realise they have disconnected from.

There is a famous video in which Feynmann rubbishes any attempt to explain gravity by pastiche bombardment and shielding. Few recognise the historical target of this modern day Don Qixote. La Sage pent the greater part of his adult life developing just this theoretical exposition. At any time Newton could have published his view and squashed La Sages efforts, but he did not, because he could not. He never defined gravity, he just measured its behaviour!

In fact La Sage came close to a complete model of particulate bombardment and shielding, which Newton followed ith great interest but privately. At the end of his life's work La Sage was not hailed as the discovere of Gravity, Newton was! La Sages Peers felt able to rubbish his work, but Newton's proved too subtle for them and it survived by imperial decree as well as genuine philosophical merit. The Weights and measures of the British empire relied on Newton's principles. Only the colonials could express how oppressive that imperial view of Newton's work really was.

Around the world Newton's concepts were respected as starting points for further philosophical development. The impact on Kant and the subsequent debate on the nature of mathematical geometry lead to the Grassmanns developing a new mechanics and geometry from critiquing the French Evoles versions of Euclid and Newton via Lagrange and Legrndre..

We may see that from the outset matter is not defined by mass, but rather by density, and the simple question is: what is this density?

As time has progressed I think we realise that is this Electro Thermo Magneto complex we call energy, and where it inhabits we call "a field in space and time".

Light is but one experience of this energy and the field in space and time tht it inhabits.
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« Reply #73 on: January 03, 2014, 09:23:44 AM »

Hallo kram1032, thanks for your reply and the links, I have now worked a bit more on my post. This post is more a collection of questions then the finale result. And a compare of different theories. If coulombs law alone would be correct the energy would be suffient to produce several universes not only one black hole. I also know some basic quantenmechanics and the uncertenty principles and how from this prinicples an hydrogen atom is stable. But the elektron and the positron disapear and the complete energie and momentum is converted into photons. Energie and momentum are conserved but what happens with charges?
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« Reply #74 on: January 03, 2014, 02:34:04 PM »

Look at the diagram again:
Spacially, the two particles never actually meet in the same point! They get annihilated before that already, turning into two photons.
AFAIK the reason for that is, that uncertainty due to quantum effects actually makes it virtually impossible for two particles to meet perfectly. Remember that, as position is known better and better, impulse is known worse and worse and vice versa, and with impulse also velocity.
The closer the two particles are to each other, the more they react to each other's presence (both due to Electromagnetic and, to a very minor degree, due to Gravitational Forces), which is equivalent to them "knowing" of each other where they are relative to themselves.
At some point, the impulse uncertainty could become so big, that the two particles, despite flying right past each other, might actually turn away in a completely random direction, including the direction they just came from.
Because they never actually meet, infinite Forces and infinite Energies are avoided.
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