Alternative ways of creating the Mandelbrot set

twinbee

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Alternative ways of creating the Mandelbrot set

« on: March 28, 2008, 04:03:24 AM »

I didn't realise there was another way of creating the set until I found this:

I quote:

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You don't need imaginary numbers to define the mandelbrot set. Start with point (x[1],y[1]). When you do the iterations, x[next] = x[previous]^2 - y^2 + x[1] and y[next] = -y[previous]^2 + y[1]. And the image shown is most definitely a rendering of the mandelbrot set.

Unfortunately, he lost me at the y^2 bit. Perhaps he meant y[1] (which doesn't work btw)?

My attempt at reproducing the method has failed so far:

Code:

double nx;		double ny;
double ox=0.4;		double oy=0.5;  // Initialize to any numbers? (these chosen at random)
double px=ox;		double py=oy;

for (int n=0; n<100000; n++) {
	nx = pow(px,2.0) - pow(oy,2.0) + ox;
	ny = -pow(py,2.0)              + oy;

	px=nx;		py=ny;

	int drawx=(int)(nx*100.0 + 400);   // Enlarging tiny numbers to big so we can see...
	int drawy=(int)(ny*100.0 + 300);  // ...the results properly. Plus centering to middle.
		
	plot(drawx, drawy);
}

Any ideas of what needs to be changed?

And to to keep on topic generally, are there any other simple ways of creating the Mandelbrot set?


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juharkonen

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Re: Alternative ways of creating the Mandelbrot set

« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2008, 01:10:17 PM »

Calculations with complex numbers can always be translated to calculations in real numbers (using the definition of complex numbers). For the logistic map z(n+1) = z(n)^2 + C used to calculate the Mandelbrot set, this translates to
x(n+1) = x(n)^2 - y(n)^2 + xC
y(n+1) = 2*x(n)+y(n) + yC
where
C = (xC, yC) = xC + i*yC and
z(n) = (x(n), y(n)) = x(n) + i*y(n).

Comparing to your reference, it seems that the calculation of the y coordinate is incorrect. I didn't test this one neither but I hope you got the idea. I don't know about other ways to calculate the Mandelbrot set and I wouldn't say this essentially differs from the calculations using complex numbers - it's just a different representation of the same calculations.


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GFWorld

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Re: Alternative ways of creating the Mandelbrot set

« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2008, 11:17:11 AM »

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cKleinhuis

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Re: Alternative ways of creating the Mandelbrot set

« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2008, 03:29:49 PM »

as far as i know the above method works for julia sets, did you paint mandelbrot fractals with that rendering loop ?


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Re: Alternative ways of creating the Mandelbrot set

« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2008, 03:36:21 PM »

Quote from: juharkonen on March 29, 2008, 01:10:17 PM

Comparing to your reference, it seems that the calculation of the y coordinate is incorrect. I didn't test this one neither but I hope you got the idea. I don't know about other ways to calculate the Mandelbrot set and I wouldn't say this essentially differs from the calculations using complex numbers - it's just a different representation of the same calculations.

different and less meaningful representations, agreed.


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