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« Reply #45 on: December 14, 2013, 11:00:17 AM »

Sorry the links still doesn't work!

Try this::
http://www.sonnetsoftware.com/support/downloads/publications/MWJ_AcceptanceOfMaxwellsEquations.pdf
http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/elmag/

The third I couldn't find by google!

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« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2013, 03:33:09 AM »

Thanks for that Hermann
http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/elmag/files/EM03ME.pdf
Was the PDF I posted. I have properly corrected the links and hope they all work for you.
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« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2013, 07:40:20 AM »

There is so much to unlearn about light and even more to learn. But the following videos show just how Schizophrenic our understanding is.
Do we really have a particle physics?
And what are physicists really talking about if they were honest?
And mathematicians what are they really thinking?
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/8DGgvE6hLAU&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/8DGgvE6hLAU&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8DGgvE6hLAU
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/yTeBUpR17Rw&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/yTeBUpR17Rw&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/OvN-prp1N78&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/OvN-prp1N78&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
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« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2013, 08:24:46 AM »

Forgot I had this great video.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/kCyMZFwb_O8&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/kCyMZFwb_O8&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
What has it got to do with light?
Think of light as a spherical expanding bubble from the source. The surface of the bubble is magnetic energy rotating in the surface, the expansion of the bubble is a radial velocity distribution from the measured speed of light to the measured speed of so called particles.

The gyroscopic magnetic rotations in the bubble surface provide amazing stability for objects moving in space. They also allow magnetic coupling between bodies with such stable polar axes. Simply ask the Gilberuian question, the question that Boyle asked: is this gravitational behaviour?
Newton was unwilling to give sn answer, but he used, as was common in his time, the metaphor of magnetism .
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« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2013, 11:02:23 AM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/CiHN0ZWE5bk&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/CiHN0ZWE5bk&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/YW8KuMtVpug&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/YW8KuMtVpug&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
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« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2013, 11:02:27 PM »

Thanks Hermann.
Very enjoyable and the guys are good at articulating the issues without the math. I subscribe to the channel and recommend it.
The problem is when someone starts saying there is only oe true description. Then these guys show their teeth!

I do not believe in one truth , and do not generally recommend one way of describing phenomena. However when one critiques n aspect of a model or several inconsistencies thn something turns the group of physicists into a snarling pack of wolves'

That being said it is clear that fundamentally particles are a misnomer. Even corpuscles seems a slightly more informative word!

The reason this topic is here in this forum, nd not in some physics forum is because, like fluid dynamics we cn actually sculpt fractal patterns out of some of these process formulas. We can do it with a simple fractal programme and get results that look like interference patterns!

When I looked at some conceptual results I,had no reference images or theoretical understanding. This thread I hope will develop some fractal sculptures that are really informative of physical process.

Of course the traditional way is to programme a computer to move points and then put physical loops and stochastic statistical algorithms in those loops to predict or determine the next position. I do not want to do it that way.

If the field is the ultimate driver, I want to create events in a field equation and see what it sculpts!
As I have experimented along these lines certain functions and relationships called trochoids have become increasingly interesting.

That leads me. back to some simpler basic phenomena which I am keen to see if they appear in physical formulary.
I find that they do in one way or another ! But I have a long way to go to demonstrate any real physical references.

I just keep meditating on these things.
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« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2013, 11:19:18 PM »

Ivor Catt has researched the early history of electric port transmission from about Maxwell faraday onwards. His conclusions can be found here
http://www.electromagnetism.demon.co.uk/uf26sbk0.htm
While not a complete history on the world stage, it paints a picture of sloppiness and intrsnsigence bought about by corporate power struggles. This in itself defines electricity as a commercial product rather than a theoretical exploration of reality.
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« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2013, 02:15:12 AM »

The reason why I love trochoids!
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/tnbUJAKTR0k&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/tnbUJAKTR0k&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/tnbUJAKTR0k&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/tnbUJAKTR0k&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
Physicists do not recognise these forms in the solutions to their equations!
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« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2013, 11:02:35 AM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/s-PfJmmBjNc&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/s-PfJmmBjNc&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
This video is just a taster, so anyone who is interested in a empirically based explanation of light know where to go to get some answers?
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« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2013, 09:11:50 PM »

There is so much  to reference
Hertx original texts of his experiments
Maxwells text to his electromagnetic theory
Heavisides texts to his electromagnetic theory
Lord Kelvins  magnetic theory
Gilbert's De magnet.
McCullaghs theory on rotating aether and stokes objection

http://youtu.be/w4MIFnpWG4s
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/w4MIFnpWG4s&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/w4MIFnpWG4s&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
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« Reply #55 on: December 19, 2013, 09:29:19 AM »

Coulomb's law in vacum:

 \vec F = \frac {1}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \cdot \frac {q_1 \cdot q_2}{r^2}

The first important milestone in the development of electrodynamics is the publishing of Coulomb's law. Discovered around the year 1785 by the french physicist Charles Augustin de Coulomb. Where this law describes the force F between two particles with the charges q1 and q2 which are placed at a distance r. The direction of the force is on a straight line between the two particels. Remember, that there are two different kinds of charges: 'positive and negative', which have a fundamental influence on the direction of the forces. The force is attracting if the two charges have different sign and is repelling if the two charges have the same sign.

In this law one can see already the first problem. If the distance between the two particles become zero, the forces on the two particles go to infinit. This is of special importance if we have point like particles like the elektron and the positron. These two particles attract one another and will produce infinit forces and hence infinit energies when they come closer together.

That means on atomic scale Coulomb's law is not the complete story!

Todays theorie tells us that the two particles electron and positron will perform annihilation of one another when they come close together and the energy of the two particles will be transformed info two \gamma gamma photones. Where gamma photones are the particels of the electromagnetic wave at high frequencies. The following Feynman diagram describes this process.


That shows, that matter can be transformed into elektormagnetic waves. Also the energy is resticted by the mass of the two particles and their kinetic energie. The energie that is assinged to a mass of a particle can be calculated to Einsteins famous formula E = mc^2. The energie of a photon depents on it's frequency \nu. According to the following formula: E = h\nu and h is Plank's constant.
It is also possible to produce an electron positron pair from a photon, if the photon has sufficient energie.

Today we have basicly three theories for describing electormagnetic phenomena. These are the classical elektrodynamic, quantum electrodynamics and in partical physics the electroweak interaction. The electroweak theory combines electromagnetic interactions with weak interactions.

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« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2013, 10:11:48 AM »

Thanks again Hermann.
These snippets of history are valuable and hopefully thought provoking.

Coulombs law was in fact inspired by a comment from Priestly, who was in communication with Coulomb and Franklin. Franklin mentionrd to Priestly that there was no charge inside a charged metal bowl that he could detect. Priestly mentioned this to Coulomb who immediately recognised an inverse square law relationship. The rest is almost history!

The rethink that can be done at this point is what is this charge,q?

At the time there was the aether/ fluid explanation with one or 2 fluids. Franklin, for esoteric and Masonic reasons preferred the notions of + and and the idea of surplus and lack. Others thought of a corpuscle carrying the 2 fluids and swapping the fluids between each other in a similar way to Newtonian Motive. Coulombs formulation is actually inspired by Newton and based on the 2 fluid concept. 

However the obvious next question was what is this quantity of matter in Newtons Gravitational formula? Even though Newton's Principia was only about a decade or so in print, already mass and quantity of matter had become confused and enshrined in the law and in English Law. As a formal basis to the whole of the British imperial weights and measures, mass could not be changed to reflect new understanding or discoveries about matter.

By now the change has been accomplished by stealth! Now matter does not mean what it did in Coulombs time. And charge is no longer divorced from matter.. Our point of view is only now reflecting what Coulomb and others immediately suspected: matter is this immaterial energy that manifests charge.

Feynmann would not be drawn. He made a boast that he had no idea what he was dealing with, he just followed the calculations and they gave the answer verified by experiment. In that regard he emulated Newton. Newton would not be drawn on Gravity. Today's physicists do not even acknowledge that it is not known what gravity is! By the same token it is really not known what electric and magnetic fields are.

When Dirac reformulated his vector  Maths to do Quantum Mechanics and applied it to the Schroedinger wave equation he came up with negative energy. This was eventually redacted in an attempt to get rid of negative energy , to annihilation! Thus the equations by Dirac do not speak of Annihilation but of transition from positive energy to negative energy, by the release of energy . Similarly the absorption of energy changes the state of the system.

Light cannot be overemphasised as fundmental to our explanation of matter and it's behaviour. That we call it Elrctromagnetic radiation should not confuse anyone. We call it all manner of names from vibrations  of heat to particles of cosmic rays.

Our top physicists do not even think of particles anymore, just quanta of fields.

For me the time to refer to these things or phnomena as fractal regions is very much upon us. This is why I look at these issues in the context of this forum. Fractal and Grassnannian Geometry is crucial to the way forward .

As you know without Hamilton and Grassmann we would probably not be discussing these things in this way.
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« Reply #57 on: December 22, 2013, 09:00:13 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obCjODeoLVw

Feynman always gives you the feeling that it is easy to understand what he says but it is difficult to express it in your own words.
When I try to understand a term of abstract mathematics I usally discover, that it is defined by other abstract terms in mathematics, that I don't understand.
Sometimes these terms are more abstract, then the things they describe.
If things are defined to abstract one looses the the capability to talk about it.
On the other hand it is also very challanging to find the basic examples that can be the starting point of understanding abstract theories.

So at the moment if have in mind how to develop the electric field from Coulomb's law. But it is very time consuming to write it down and then to shape things in detail, so that they have the a form I like. A form that allows me to look on things from different 'angles'. To write about something means, to find the right words, make the maths understandable have graphics, films and computer programms.

Sometimes the mathematics look very simple like the algorithem for the Mandelbrot Set. The basic programming is also not the big problem. The colouring and visualisation of it is a bigger challenge. But how to find words, to describe what you have found. The reception of the picturs of the mandelbrot set is very emotional. For example look at the Seahorse Odyssey of Pauldelbrot in this forum.

Light has colours when we see it, with colours one comes to art, especially to painting, fotographics, films, animations
Colour gives each point in four dimenional spacetime further dimensions in the form of colors.
The perception of colors is very emotional.
Every day we have to make many decisions, mostly based on incomplete informations so they are very emotional.

This post is more a sketch of idears in development, than a complete statement.

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« Reply #58 on: December 22, 2013, 09:30:05 AM »

Wow! "Light" is topic from movies.
But I assert that topic is in wrong chapter, but may be in chapter MOVIES SHOWCASE
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« Reply #59 on: December 22, 2013, 10:35:12 AM »

Hallo hgjf2,

with out light movies would be very dark. May be black as a big black hole.

A movie is basicly a 4-dimensional objekt. (Or even of higher dimension if on counts colors as additional dimensions)
A movie is normaly projected on a 2-dimensional plane but one can imagin the third dimension.
A movie moves in time, so it is a 4-dimensional spacetime object (expecially if the movie is in 3D)

If the movie is on your computer, you can let it run forward and backward let the movie run slow or fast.
You can also stop the movie and have a look on a single picture. So time travel is possible in the movie universe.

Light is the glue that hold Einsteins theoriy's of relativitiy together!

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