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« on: May 30, 2008, 11:51:42 PM »

Spirographs, or rather, cycloids, have always fascinated me.

When I was in highschool, I got out of a math project (which was to write a poem about math) by deriving the equations for a hypocycloid and using those equations to produce a Spirograph generator, which, sadly, is long-since lost. The generator was fairly complete, going as far as to include a simply macro language for the generation of successive cycloid images. I used the software to produce several images, only one of which remains, and only in print form (I'll try to scan it later), but it was quite neat in its day.

I'm interested in potentially re-visiting the generator, as I now can derive the equations quite quickly and the program would be fairly simple to re-do. I'm wondering what the community interest in such a generator might be, and if there are any requests. The original generator could handle only a small set of parameters, but I'm giving some thought to trying to get it to do more, including epicycloid drawing and perhaps even custom shapes using collision detection. If I did this, what would you guys like to see? The project would probably be done with WPF. How many of you use a Mac? If there is enough demand for it, I may do it as a browser-based Silverlight application, allowing it to run on Windows, Mac, or Linux.

What do you all think?

-ps Spirograph is a registered, but poorly enforced, trademark of Hasbro. The proper name for a spirograph is a cycloid. Since nobody knows what a cycloid is, however, I often use Spirograph instead. Sue me.
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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2008, 04:07:46 PM »

do you mean those ?
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Cycloid.html

hmm, i wonder how you do nice images with that method, using a spline to define the path along the circle rolls ?
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2008, 04:18:33 PM »

hmm, i wonder how you do nice images with that method, using a spline to define the path along the circle rolls ?

These are the idea behind guilloche designs (the "Security" patterns on money, etc).

Here's a program that takes the concept to the limits!

http://www.excourse.com/excentro/

Got the trial for the mac - it's a Wonderful Program!!  (So Yes, I use a mac as well as a PC)

If you can do things like that...  You'll have a hit on your hands!
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2008, 10:35:40 AM »

Trifox - yes. Commonly, however, spirographs are what is called hypocycloids, which are produced the same way, except the circle is rolling inside another circle. The end result is a very cool image.

Here is a typical (partial) image:

http://monicarivella.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/circleproject02.jpg

I'm going to scan the one I have, when I'm done, I'll put it on my flickr feed. It is quite unique, I've found nothing like it since (though it is a hypocycloid it was heavily altered, but still looks cool).

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As for how to do it - The original version rendered the image. By rendering, I mean directly simulated its creation. It had a mode where you could even watch it draw the image. The best solution would be to directly vectorize it, but, being a non-math/spline/beizer guy, I don't really know how, and I don't think I'm going to bother to learn.

I don't actually think guilloche designs are usually cycloidic, but I suppose some may be.

My scanner is going. At 1200DPI, however, it takes 30 minutes to finish, so it will be some time before I can get the image up (plus I still have to clean and fix it)....

...Working on cleaning image now, got distracted by making stupid hippie stuff for room...
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2008, 11:13:19 AM »

well well, if i figure it out how it is done Cheesy i will use it in a forthcoming demo  Afro
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2008, 12:13:48 PM »

...Finally finished picture (and stupid hippie stuff!)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/abstractapproach/2541242400/

It is apparent that it is a Spirograph (yes generated not hand drawn) but it was MASSIVELY edited, and so barely resembles it's original design. Granted, there were some 80 separate traces on this image alone, making it fairly complex in its own right.
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