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If you wish to create and use your own formular and do other experiments then also the Fractal Imaginator (Fi) is a very good program.

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Dear Rob,

I am Dutch, so my English language is full of errors. You are completely right: 'Formula' is the correct word.

Thanks.
Jules.

John (woodlands) wrote:
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>    thanks for the info.   ......
>    Let me try some of these tools, see if they can help me explore

You are more than welcome!!  If you need specific assistance with any of the fractal applications you decide to try out, then either post a message here to get help from somebody or send me a private email.

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>    i coded back then in C+, but have gotten out of it,
>    and embarased to say that i code in Access basic
>    for database applications mainly, and basic is pretty
>    lousy for math applications.

VBA can do quite a bit within the Microsoft Office products.  I have coded hundreds of thousands of lines of code for not only Access, but Excel, Word, Outlook, etc...  But none of those is the correct development environment for creating fractal applications.

You should think about acquiring Visual Studio so that you can work with both C and Basic.  Both of them will allow you to create whatever you want in the way of a fractal app.  Microsoft's Basic can do many things now that it never could before and is very much compatible (as far as functionality is concerned) with C+ and C#.

John (woodlands) wrote:
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>    compatible yes, but performance?  I remember
>    watching fractals draw dot by dot until i moved
>    to C+, and got satisfactory performance....

Back then, C was quite a bit faster, but these days, Basic has gotten much better and C has become a bit slower in my opinion.  I think it is because Microsoft keeps adding so much to C (like they do the Office Suite) that it is becoming bloat-ware.

But if you really want a lot of speed in execution, then you should really program in Assembler.

all that hard core programmingspeak makes me afraid, very afraid

>Well, if you are really wanting to do your own "plug and play fractal programming", then as you already know (based upon your statements about actually doing programming), you have to learn to speak the language.   

yep, i do know the world of coding, and as such its actually not the fear of the programming itself, its the time involved...getting to know a program is usually some intense effort to make it play nice.  thankfully, i guess  there are more plug and play things out there...but from experience, as soon as you want to do somethign different, its a tougher ballgame.  For instance, i want to imagine a third axis (pun intended, what could be more imaginary than the imaginary axis), and code accordingly.  i did do it once when i had programmed in C, and it was cool, but it involves generating a third loop to scan through for the third axis, plus inventing the third parameter (i.e. a +bi +cj) and its arithmetic...(a+bi+cj)(a+bi+cj)=(a**2 - b**2 +c**2 -b*c) + 2abi +2acj   (the idea is that i*i=-1;    j*j=1;    i*j=-1 ) 

so in my ignorance of the plug and play programs, i fear that they wouldnt be able to handle that particular quest for unusual fractal worlds, or some other ways i want to play, and my time is so bad right now that even typing into forums is a stretch   damn real world!

plus hearing the other computer speak of how people who really know the stuff and use things to optimize the calculations really makes me roll my eyes.  ah well, maybe i will get time to investigate and make things happen in spite of my reticence for starting.   

actually, back to the original question, are there other fractal forms out there that could be considered as complex as mandelbrot, or with an atomic core like the snowman, but different?  Every other form i see just appears to be variations of the "aura", which never zoom in to see anything other than more aura, or a core that is  different than the mandelbrot "set".  anyone have examples?

thanks, its fun to be talking about this stuff.