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Author Topic: History of fractal deep zoom records  (Read 2963 times)
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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2016, 04:17:52 PM »

i mean this in the best way possible of course  angel  but it should be pointed out that it is more than a little silly to be jerkin each other off with this "deepest zoom" stuff all the time.  it really is fairly meaningless without any further qualifications like iteration count, zoom speed / frame count, KEYframe count, framerate, resolution, any relevant quality settings like supersampling or other antialiasing techniques, any other computationally heavy rendering fanciness, etc.  if you were to actually factor all these things into the equation, the final depth itself loses any real meaning.
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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2016, 12:42:35 PM »

i mean this in the best way possible of course  angel  but it should be pointed out that it is more than a little silly to be jerkin each other off with this "deepest zoom" stuff all the time.  it really is fairly meaningless without any further qualifications like iteration count, zoom speed / frame count, KEYframe count, framerate, resolution, any relevant quality settings like supersampling or other antialiasing techniques, any other computationally heavy rendering fanciness, etc.  if you were to actually factor all these things into the equation, the final depth itself loses any real meaning.
I mean it in the best way possible of course... but you are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to judge the opinions of others.
Why don't you give a thought of what you would need to consider in order to break my e20000 record? You would find out that it is a lot of technical considerations to account for regardless of the parameters you listed, and that would be a lot more fun for you than calling others to be silly jerkers... sad
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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2016, 01:47:50 PM »

Kalles Fraktaler congratulations! You will go down in The Hall of Fractal Fame as a true great individual  smiley
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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2016, 07:59:45 PM »

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you are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to judge the opinions of others.

i was not opining.  i was observing that to maintain a list of records based on nothing more than final magnification is so lacking as to be virtually meaningless.

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Why don't you give a thought of what you would need to consider in order to break my e20000 record?

i am not interested in competing for a spot in anyone's self-congratulatory circlejerk.  but you already knew that from previous conversations we've had.   smiley

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You would find out that it is a lot of technical considerations to account for regardless of the parameters you listed

you also already know that i am aware of the "technical considerations" of these things.

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and that would be a lot more fun for you than calling others to be silly jerkers

again, although you would never guess this to be the case, nor apparently even believe it when someone explains it to you, the "fun" you derive from congratulating yourself would in fact not necessarily be shared as such by everyone else, were they to engage in similar endeavors.  and again, i was observing the fact that, in your own words, the "technical considerations" you guys are factoring into your equation are lacking, in fact missing entirely.  and again, this points to the fact that you guys are indeed more interested in declaring yourselves some sort of record holders than you are in the actual technical considerations.  it is just a tacky, sophomoric showing is all.  i feel embarrassed for you guys every time i see you carry on in this manner.  lets try to raise it up a notch.
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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2016, 08:24:36 PM »

I really wish to see some *high quality* zooms, with top notch antialiasing and motion blur, some HDR palettes that streak nicely in motion, etc. These ultra crunchy video codec-killing zooms are aesthetically really empty for me Sceptical

Surely there's some middle of the road to be had regarding zoom depth and decent image quality...
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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2016, 08:36:17 PM »

oh quazor..
I suggest if you are not interested in "circlejerks", how about staying out of these threads?
Or do you also frequently visit sportbars during let's say a world cup and tell everyone how stupid it is to play these group-circlejerk-games?
This behaviour is kind of jerking off too, but with a different fetish..

If you're not into it, ignore it.

And by the way, kalle NOwhere mentioned explicitely that it was a new record, nor did he mention the zoom depth anywhere.
And he didn't use a record-clickbait-youtube-videotitle like it is common.
I credit him for that.
And for the insane zoom. Everyone who has spend some time zooming knows what effort this must have been.

(though I'd like to hear some specs too, rendertime, max iteration..)
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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2016, 08:46:09 PM »

Lycium, you mean like this?
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/a26UXXVQAHg&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/a26UXXVQAHg&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
The mega download is 4k 60fps.
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2016, 09:04:49 PM »

Hahaha  cheesy cheesy
qaz0r and lycium you are so funny guys because you are serious and your don't have any irony or gleam in the eye. You are so sincerely provoked by this and it is very funny, but also kind of tragic. Why don't you leave the computer and get a life for a while?

Thanks PieMan597, that is a lovely render! You render such movie with Kalles Fraktaler is a real reward to me and makes my efforts and engagement in this totally worth it!
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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2016, 11:18:14 PM »

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kalle NOwhere mentioned explicitely that it was a new record, nor did he mention the zoom depth anywhere.
And he didn't use a record-clickbait-youtube-videotitle like it is common.
I credit him for that.

cool.  though i was not singling out kalle anyway.  this thread was not created by kalle, nor was he the sole participant, nor did i even mention him in my original comment.

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I really wish to see some *high quality* zooms, with top notch antialiasing and motion blur, some HDR palettes that streak nicely in motion, etc.  These ultra crunchy video codec-killing zooms are aesthetically really empty for me 

indeed, and not just 2D zooms either.  the 3D stuff thus far has suffered the same fate of aliasing, lack of detail, and low-quality encoding.

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Surely there's some middle of the road to be had regarding zoom depth and decent image quality...

surely indeed.

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Lycium, you mean like this?  The mega download is 4k 60fps.

i think i saw the youtube version of this before (oh youtube, why must you be so terrible sad) but i'll grab the original file from that mega link as i too desire to see more fractal videos with an emphasis on not only render quality but also on encode quality.

a friend rendered this video recently, https://filebin.net/m09tt8eohvmcgd5f/A.Zoom.Into.The.Mandelbrot.Set.20161107.1080p60.flac.x264.mkv , adhering to my quality-first principles.  60fps, utilizing 6x supersampling for an original resolution of 11520x6480 with an effective resolution of 1080p.  (shameless self-plug, surely kalle will be proud  angel)  unfortunately these things really do often require some such technique to get a good amount of detail into the end result, otherwise the resolution of the image/video can be largely wasted.  though im sure there is some more refined approach(es) than brute-force supersampling which could also result in acceptable quality.

one major issue with creating high-quality videos is the question of how best to distribute them.  video-sharing sites transcode your encode, making them useless for these purposes.  and more general-purpose file-hosting sites range from limited and all-around rather terrible, to entirely useless for hosting large files specifically.  bittorrent could potentially work here, though there would need to be a certain degree of interest and participation to really make it work, one which such a small community would fall way short of i think.  sad
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2016, 12:41:49 AM »

Hahaha  cheesy cheesy
qaz0r and lycium you are so funny guys because you are serious and your don't have any irony or gleam in the eye. You are so sincerely provoked by this and it is very funny, but also kind of tragic. Why don't you leave the computer and get a life for a while?

Thankfully I have you to teach me the meaning of irony: sitting on an internet forum obsessing over zoom exponents, and telling people to get a life grin

I'm actually pretty happy with my life, thankyouverymuch, and since you immediately get personal when faced with a technical critique, it seems pretty clear who needs to get off the computer for a while...


PieMan597, I'll try to check this out now, HQ 4K video is super rare! The last time I tried to download something big from Mega it needed a login, hopefully not the case here.

For the Chaotica videos gallery we have a shared hosting account specially for the videos, after trying Vimeo Pro and all the other options (not good at all), this is what I was stuck with.

Edit: I tried downloading the 4K video, but I reached some kind of free download quota. On the other hand, the one posted by quaz0r looks pretty great! More of this, please smiley
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« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2016, 04:30:11 AM »

Here's my yt channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/PieMan59x

The newer stuff is a least 1080p 60fps, decent quality if you download it.

Mega is easy to get an account for, and they don't spam their email. I just use it because it is 50 the of file storage for free.
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« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2017, 12:22:46 PM »

Correction: Adam Majewski is not dinkydauset, but I am.

Given the current records set by Kalles Fraktaler I don't think I will ever break records again. A 4 hour video, that's madness. Please forgive me for not watching it entirely. xD
I remember something, though:
I promise, I will never torture you with a deeper movie than this  cheesy
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« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2017, 12:51:17 PM »

Correction: Adam Majewski is not dinkydauset, but I am.

Given the current records set by Kalles Fraktaler I don't think I will ever break records again. A 4 hour video, that's madness. Please forgive me for not watching it entirely. xD
Haha you are forgiven, it was not meant to be watched smiley

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« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2017, 01:22:24 PM »

Seems like a weird analogy to me (do we all have to be fancy big buildings?), but that aside, I wonder if that skyscraper could support itself with lots of random glitches here and there in the structure wink One way in which the analogy makes sense though, is that there seems to be some kind of *ahem* measuring contest going on over here...

PS. I feel obliged to mention: if you look closely, you'll see there's a "u" in quaz0r's nick.
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« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2017, 02:17:14 PM »

Seems like a weird analogy to me (do we all have to be fancy big buildings?), but that aside, I wonder if that skyscraper could support itself with lots of random glitches here and there in the structure wink One way in which the analogy makes sense though, is that there seems to be some kind of *ahem* measuring contest going on over here...

PS. I feel obliged to mention: if you look closely, you'll see there's a "u" in quaz0r's nick.
Sorry quaz0r

And btw, you will find no glithces in my e20000 Movie  grin
Or in any of my movies since several years ago
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