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« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2015, 01:43:08 PM »

The fact that it's written in Delphi means more programmers can contribute, you don't have to be a c++ expert.
This isn't the whole fact. If it would be that easy, the source would have been released and many happy developers would already contribute to it, don't you think?
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« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2015, 02:11:09 PM »

Good luck Andreas, and glad you are considering this project. In my last conversations with Jesse I understood the code was very complex and difficult to share with anyone, and that it would be extremely difficult to go beyond the current version. But it seems you like to take on the challenge. Happy to beta test like I did since the beginning wink
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« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2015, 05:52:16 PM »

I second Bib's sentiments, can't think of anyone more capable to try and add to MB3D than Andreas. I've used every version of MB3D since Jesse first started releasing them and have also used many versions of Andreas's J-Wildfire program including the current one. These gentlemen have done so much for Fractaling I can't understand why anyone would want to badmouth either one of them for anything, I hope you do give MB3D a go Andreas.
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« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2015, 05:11:18 AM »

This isn't the whole fact. If it would be that easy, the source would have been released and many happy developers would already contribute to it, don't you think?

That is the fact I'm afraid. Releasing source takes no great effort, that's what an ethical person would do.  Mandelbulber has full source.   Looks like that's what everyone will be using soon.
It really is that simple.
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« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2015, 08:52:30 AM »

This is great news, I hope you can sort out the "mess" Andreas!  A Beer Cup afro
Do not listen to the winer, and if you need beta testing I am also used to that since way back... wink
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« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2015, 10:20:55 AM »

That is the fact I'm afraid. Releasing source takes no great effort, that's what an ethical person would do.  Mandelbulber has full source.   Looks like that's what everyone will be using soon.
It really is that simple.

Actually, an ethical person would respect the wishes of other people.  Especially with regards to things said other people created.

As for MB3D's future if no updates ever happen - it will still get lots of use!  The useability of any program has far less to do with the time since it's last update and far more to do with it user interface.

I still use very old programs that have not been updated in many years because I like them and something about the interface "clicked" with me and I can work fluently with them.  I'm sure MB3D will last a very long time even if no more development happens because it's interface works perfectly with my way of thinking.  I have not had as much luck wrapping my head around Mandelbulber's interface so I don't use it  (though I still intend to give it another try someday, that has nothing to do with whether the source code was released).

It really is that simple.
 
If you just want the source code for yourself, just say so rather than pretend you have some sort of moral high ground because you like open source.

And good luck Andreas!  I hope you manage to make progress with this project.
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« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2015, 09:24:05 PM »

Actually, an ethical person would respect the wishes of other people.  Especially with regards to things said other people created.

As for MB3D's future if no updates ever happen - it will still get lots of use!  The useability of any program has far less to do with the time since it's last update and far more to do with it user interface.

I still use very old programs that have not been updated in many years because I like them and something about the interface "clicked" with me and I can work fluently with them.  I'm sure MB3D will last a very long time even if no more development happens because it's interface works perfectly with my way of thinking.  I have not had as much luck wrapping my head around Mandelbulber's interface so I don't use it  (though I still intend to give it another try someday, that has nothing to do with whether the source code was released).

It really is that simple.
 
If you just want the source code for yourself, just say so rather than pretend you have some sort of moral high ground because you like open source.

And good luck Andreas!  I hope you manage to make progress with this project.

There Honestly is no logical reason what so ever not to release the source, especially if it isn't going to be developed any further by the original author. 

At least then the community as a whole can develop it, that's how good software is made, with many minds.
If that doesn't happen it just means programs like mandelbulber will become the main program.

To me the gui interface could do with some improvements.   If any person says they are going to be using it forever they are lying.  Because other programs with have Decent openCL more real time interfaces and fast rendering using the GPU. 

In all it's a sad situation, real ethical coders leave their work to the world so it can be improved.
It's exactly why things like torrent, http/www, Linux, doom, quake et al are successful because many people are able to improve them and use them.

It's all about giving to the community. If you can't see that it's very sad indeed !
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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2015, 09:38:27 PM »

There Honestly is no logical reason what so ever not to release the source, especially if it isn't going to be developed any further by the original author. 

At least then the community as a whole can develop it, that's how good software is made, with many minds.
If that doesn't happen it just means programs like mandelbulber will become the main program.

To me the gui interface could do with some improvements.   If any person says they are going to be using it forever they are lying.  Because other programs with have Decent openCL more real time interfaces and fast rendering using the GPU. 

In all it's a sad situation, real ethical coders leave their work to the world so it can be improved.
It's exactly why things like torrent, http/www, Linux, doom, quake et al are successful because many people are able to improve them and use them.

It's all about giving to the community. If you can't see that it's very sad indeed !


Without arguing, I never said I'd use a program forever, but I did say for years to come.

I still use and love Mutatorkammer - and it never got out of beta and doesn't run properly except on Windows XP.  Yet it is among my most used programs to this day!

And I know I am not alone in being put off by Mandelbulber's interface.  In my case to the point of not even having tried 2.X yet  (but I did download it!).

The point is that there is nothing unethical about not releasing the code.  Especially since all we know is that the reasons are personal.

Now, given that the reasons are personal - that implies there is an emotional component to the reasons.  If so, expecting logic to apply is folly.  Logic and Emotions are incompatible much of the time.

Sorry, but I still see your statements as a veiled way of saying "But I want it!  Gimme!!"

Please try to understand that there are reasons we have been told we will never know.  That HAS to be good enough, if only because it is all you will ever get.
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« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2015, 11:44:11 PM »

 A Beer Cup
Andreas thanks in the name of the community, every tiny addition -even apparently nonsense ones!- will be super appreciated by the folks! smiley
In old computers, opencl and fancy stuff does NOT even work at all flexiverse.
So believe me, MBulber has a very long way to go to become just... half as popular as MB3d!
No discouragement for the developers intended!
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« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2015, 07:25:23 AM »

Rightly said DarkBeam.

Thank you Andreas for taking the initiative.

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« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2015, 10:58:07 AM »

people, i locked this topic, i did an error when splitting the good news of thargor, so the last 2 messages belong to
the newly created post:
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