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« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2014, 04:46:27 AM »

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the sooner the better  I hope it's as intense as Botond's 10k+ lines of assembler or Claude's intricate tapestry of GLSL and custom math code or Syntopia's awesome 3D realization a la Fragmentarium, and of course Kalles Fraktaler who's source code is free of clutter so that you can see the patterns in the coding.
I just can't wait    but I feel it may be some time yet

i guess this is supposed to be sarcastic?  i was saying it is silly to be into this stuff from a mindset of it being a competition or to pursue some sort of personal glory or whatever.  so to respond to that as if i was trying to promote myself as being the best is kind of weird.  so if thats what youre worried about, fret not, i can tell you right now there are lots of people who know way more about both programming and math than i do, and if it did have to be a competition, im sure i would not win.
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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2014, 11:32:50 PM »

i dont like to be a downer on anyone, especially if they are simply interested in cool things for the fun of it.  this guy makes no bones about it though, hes not in it to make a good program that makes any sense, hes simply in it to win speed records or whatever his original vision was.  i got no love for that.
What kind of assumption is that? Looks like you did your best to view it as negatively as you possibly could.
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« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2014, 11:37:18 AM »

If promoting yourself is such a bad thing to do, why are you then posting images from the program you are making? You are ensnaring yourself into a really stupid discussion.

Of course it is a competition. But the opponent is fractal extreme and the old way of rendering Mandelbrot fractals. And by the way I do respect fx as being much faster in high precision calc than what I am able to do.
Of course I am promoting myself. But not on the expense of anyone else. And I am even more promoting others:
- K.I.Martin for inventing and sharing perturbation and series approximation.
- Pauldelbrot for the rock solid glitch detection
- Laser blaster for the abs condition that makes burning ship and the others possible.
- Knighty and Botond Kosa for extending series approximation etc.
Without their contribution this wouldn't be possible.

I am sharing the code because I know that others can do it better, which Botond definitely has shown.
Use my code as a reference of how thing can be solved and write your own much better much more beautiful, and we'll all be happy. smiley
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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2014, 03:11:32 PM »

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If promoting yourself is such a bad thing to do, why are you then posting images from the program you are making?
good question, i guess doing this stuff just kind of lends itself to sharing what you create, for better or for worse.  that doesnt necessarily mean everyone who posts anything necessarily thinks its the best thing ever.  ive posted some half-baked sucky stuff that i knew wasnt great, oh well.  the very last image i posted even has two stupid lines through the middle due to a recent bug i havent figured out yet.  now, maybe i should care just a tiny bit more and at least post stuff without errors,  smiley  but oh well.  its just fun to share what you are working on even if it isnt perfect or the pinnacle of human achievement.

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But the opponent is fractal extreme and the old way of rendering Mandelbrot fractals.
fair enough.  especially a competition against commercial software, now thats a worthwhile competition.

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K.I.Martin for inventing and sharing perturbation and series approximation.
just a random thought, but i always found it weird how nobody ever acknowledged, responded to, or commented on that guy who posted to the original SFT thread about perturbation, saying how he created a mandelbrot program that used perturbation for adobe like 20 years ago.  i thought that was really interesting that this has actually been done long ago.  even more interesting, and curious, is that nobody ever acknowledged that guy in that thread or anywhere else on here that ive seen, tried to talk to him, ask him questions, show any interest in his story, ...and continue to credit the SFT guy as being the first human to ever discover/implement it, and continue to credit themselves as being poineers in this brave new perturbative world.  nothing against the SFT guy though of course.

but maybe thats that competition mindset at work though?  if somebody else was the original pioneer of something, but everyone can agree to pretend it never happened, then its easier for everyone to promote themselves as pioneers?   undecided  thats the sort of "competition" mindset related stuff that is harder to respect.  more honest and friendly competition where everyone is more interested in the art or the information itself instead of the primary concern always being self-aggrandizement would be the better ideal.
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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2014, 06:06:29 PM »

Have you missed this thread from K.I.Martin (mrflay)?
http://www.fractalforums.com/announcements-and-news/superfractalthing-arbitrary-precision-mandelbrot-set-rendering-in-java/
I've asked him many questions, which he has generously replied. Unfortunately he's no longer active here.
I am also acknowledging him on the very first post in my thread
http://www.fractalforums.com/kalles-fraktaler/kalles-fraktaler-2/
and in the about box in KF and in some of the movies I made.
He is also acknowledged in the about box in Mandel machine.

If you are referring to his program, SFT, you must have missed this.
But if you really mean 20 years ago, i.e. mid 90s, yes I have heard there were a program utilizing perturbation that long ago but I don't know anything about it. Maybe also Martin learned from that program.
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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2014, 01:38:50 AM »

that is in fact the thread i was talking about, specifically:

http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?topic=15559.msg62983#msg62983

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Interesting to read this thread.

I discovered and implemented this same perturbation technique in the engine for KPT Fraxplorer in the 1990's, allowing it to do zooms to about 10^300. (You can still find this software sold for PC as part of Corel's KPT Collection.) The trick (as you've discovered) is to try to find the deepest point in the window to use as the high-precision "central orbit" around which the double-precision perturbations are computed. For deep M-set zooms, the central point will ideally be in a mini-Mandel, if there is one. Deep zooms containing multiple significant-sized mini-Mandels are problematic, though the minis tend to get sparser (relative to their sizes) as you zoom deeper.

Bignum libraries are helpful here, because multiplications on 1024-bit numbers can be done significantly faster than the naive n^2 schoolbook approach. (See the Karatsuba algorithm, for instance.)

not a single person ever replied to this post, and ive never seen this guy or his program or the fact that he implemented the perturbation technique 20 years ago ever mentioned by anyone.  it just never made any sense to me that nobody but me found this the slightest bit interesting.
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« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2014, 08:14:15 AM »

Were where you then ... ?   shocked
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« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2014, 01:21:23 PM »

well, it lists the guy as having only 3 forum posts, so apparently he and i both missed it
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« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2014, 01:05:38 AM »


 so....

 has anyone successfully compiled Kalles Fraktaler 2.7.3 on Linux with mingw ?
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« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2014, 12:42:33 PM »

that is in fact the thread i was talking about, specifically:

http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?topic=15559.msg62983#msg62983

not a single person ever replied to this post, and ive never seen this guy or his program or the fact that he implemented the perturbation technique 20 years ago ever mentioned by anyone.  it just never made any sense to me that nobody but me found this the slightest bit interesting.
I don't think this guy deserves any acknowledgement or response. If what he writes is true, he kept his discoveries for him self and that doesn't gain any of the rest of us. He didn't even share a single line of even apparently deliberately obfuscated compiler-dependent code.
So even if K.I.Martin is only the second to discover this, IMHO he deserves all the acknowledgements and honor since he shared his discoveries.
And so does the rest of the people I listed, and in addition stardust4ever that shared easily accessible formulas of all those abs-variants. And all that sent feedback on Kalles Fraktaler and also the other perturbation programs, e.g. Mandel machine etc. And Chillheimer for hosting my program. Cheers and happy new year to you all! A Beer Cup
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