Where do You get music for fractal video - ?

[Sfumato]

As far as I feel fractal video should be 'accompanied' by some special music, not songs, to my mind. And my home music collection doesn't meet the requirements. Some classic music may be OK, but not that much to have a choice. Can You recommend any web resources where one can listen to that kind of 'fantasmagoric'\'psychodelic' audio and download for further use?
Thank You in adbance,
Sfumato.

[Sockratease]

I worry too much about copyright arguments, so I make my own - EXTREMELY CRAPPY - music.

I take audio of my fiancee talking from any one of a vast number of videos of her, import it into Audacity  (free audio editor), add echoes and reverb and various other effects until it has a sort of a rhythm thingy to it, then import that audio into a "wav to midi" converter and create a whole bunch of files using different midi "voices" which I then bring back into Audacity and combine tracks, experimenting until things work well.

It often comes out very strange, but invariably moody and original with no possibility of copyright claims!

Example:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/hDmmV-MglEw&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/hDmmV-MglEw&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>

And a slightly more complex one:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/PzlClSkRUNA&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/PzlClSkRUNA&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>

Once I took ambient audio from a clip with no speech, and made this haunting soundtrack  (none of the "all midi" versions sounded good to me, so I mixed in the original wav file with all it's echoes and stuff - I really liked how the audio in this one turned out!)

<a href="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=23015049&amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;fullscreen=1&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=01AAEA" target="_blank">http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=23015049&amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;fullscreen=1&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=01AAEA</a>

My favorite part of making "music" this way is that I know it all started with audio of the woman I love talking!  It makes it so much more personally satisfying  



EDIT -

And never forget, music can be omitted and replaced by Sound Effects!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/1bAl7muCjTc&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/1bAl7muCjTc&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>

[Sfumato]

Thank You for the brilliant idea, Sockratease!
I like Your audio in the videos You uploaded. It really complies with the video perfectly!
I used to think that making audio is far more complicated task and wasn't ready to start composing electronic music by myself in order to make audio background for my video.
With kindest regards,
Sfumato.

[surrealista1]

You can search for fractal music, there are many people doing it, in www.fractovia.org there are some links for software and mp3

[Sfumato]

Grateful for Your tip, surrealista1! I remember visiting that site at time I didn't need music for video. Should be revisited.
With best regards,
Sfumato.

[Yesiamjames]

This song on youtube's audio swap is really good. audioArtist: 009 Sound System, Track: Dreamscape it fits beautifully with zoom movies and mandelbulb flyovers.

Also Kevin Mcleod has released hundreds of free tracks.   http://incompetech.com/m/c/royalty-free/

[Pauldelbrot]

I had tended to use classical music, as much of that is old enough to be public domain (recordings have a separate copyright, but if it was performed and recorded for a US military ceremony, it's again public domain).

Unfortunately there are problems with YouTube's ContentID with classical music, probably stemming from the system not being able to distinguish between a public domain recording of a public domain performance of a public domain classical composition and a non-public-domain recording of a private performance of the same composition. Companies hire bands to play classical music and record it and sell compilation CDs and they upload their recordings to ContentID, which then matches them with distinct performances from the same original work. Or something like that.

So for this year's competition entries I constructed all-original soundtracks, mostly synthetic, using (of course) Audacity. The non-synthetic bits are from recording sounds I made in my own home with all radios and TVs off, so no possibility of any copyright issues there either.

So if this year's soundtracks from me sound a bit strange, that's why.

On the other hand, since each soundtrack is composed especially for its video, it may "fit" better to it than a work composed in some other context, for some other purpose.

[eiffie]

Yeah I actually had a recording I made of classical MIDI get flagged as copyrighted - if you challenge it the flag is removed. They obviously use the same algorithm regardless of the composition's copyright.

[toxic-dwarf]

Any of the music from my webpage is free to download and you are welcome to use any of my music for your videos (If you do use any a simple credit with link to my site would be very nice! ) http://toxicdwarf.net

[robertinventor]

Hi Everyone,

Actually I've come at this from a different direction, I make fractal music and have been looking for good videos, especially fractal videos, to put the music to . Actually got the idea as a result of a question from a user of my software asking if my program can create nice fractal videos to accompany the music.

Anyway, my software can't create fractal videos, but it can create interesting fractal music, and the two go with each rather well I think, see what you make of it:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/qGpb6JmCANM&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/qGpb6JmCANM&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>

Playlist of them all:

You can use any of the demo tunes for your own work including commercially, and you can also use Tune Smithy to create new fractal music of your own. You don't need to be a composer or to have musical training to use the software, just vary the parameters to create new tunes much like the way you work with visual fractals:
http://robertinventor.com/software/main/acceptable_use.htm

To find out about the fractal tunes and download Tune Smithy see:
http://robertinventor.com/software/tunesmithy/tune_smithying.htm
More fractal tune videos here:
http://robertinventor.com/software/tunesmithy/tune_smithy_videos.htm

BTW I'll link back to this post from that page, just haven't got around to doing it yet but will be glad to link to fractalforums.com, great site

[cKleinhuis]

hello and welcome to the forums

can you elaborate what you mean with "fractal music" do you auto-generate the music somehow ? or do you apply fractal techniques to the creation of your patterns ?!

[robertinventor]

Thanks . Yes, Tune Smithy auto generate the music, from a short seed phrase, usually just three or four notes or so, can be a bit longer.

In actual use it is much like a visual fractal, you can choose from presets - and you vary the parameters, and it also has a "Randomize" button which you can keep pressing until you get a tune that you like for the simplest way of all to use it. Or you can enter a musical seed as numbers, or play it in as a melodic phrase, and use that as the basis for the tune. That's what it does anyway - just a case of whether  you use one of the pre-existing "seeds" or you create one yourself.

It then creates an endless "sloth canon number sequence" from your seed phrase and uses that to construct the tune. A sloth canon is a canon where each part plays the same tune (like a normal canon like Frere Jacques) except, each part plays it slower than the previous part so first part might play it at normal speed, second part at a third of the speed, third part at a ninth of the speed and so on.

Just discovered recently that a closely related technique was used long ago by the Danish composer  Per Nørgård

Gone into the maths of it a bit here: Self Similar Sloth Canon Number Sequences

The sloth canon structure makes the music self similar, in a way closely related to visual fractals. If you play the tune say 3 times faster or 3 times slower then you get exactly the same melody line and the whole tune may sound similar.

Except - just as for visual fractals, the similarity may not be an exact one as I transform it in various ways, sometimes so much that it completely obscures the basic canon structure to a human listener, yet somehow the whole thing coheres.

The interesting thing is that it makes almost no use at all of standard composing techniques. That the tunes work and sound musical must be due to some deeper connection between fractals and music because if you were to analyse it then you would find it isn't really structured much like a conventional composition at all - and yet can sound very similar to human ears to a conventional composition. And - there are many connections between musical composition and fractals, seems musical composition is naturally fractal in some ways.

Does this answer your question?

hello and welcome to the forums

can you elaborate what you mean with "fractal music" do you auto-generate the music somehow ? or do you apply fractal techniques to the creation of your patterns ?!

[Sockratease]

Hello and welcome to the forums!

I found your website a while ago trying to get info for a personal quest of mine, but don't want to sidetrack this thread.  It was to do with one of the other programs on your site - the 3D Lissajuous Curve Generator    (Everybody who knows me knows why I wanted information on this!)

Maybe we can discuss it if you make an introduction thread, or someplace else.  Or if you like, the question is here:  http://www.fractalforums.com/mandelbulb-3d/re-custom-formulas-and-transforms-release/msg33137/#msg33137  I am unable to answer it sufficiently for the purpose  

OK, back on topic; this sort of toy is just the thing for my fractal video music needs!  I make some pretty crazy music using silly techniques.  I'd like to add Tune Smithy to my arsenal.

Thanks for posting, and enjoy the forums.

[toxic-dwarf]

I have only just read this post and am about to investigate your fractal music maker. I am a music producer and have been creating algorithmically composed music using the program Supercollider. This software is code based and it is capable of transmitting midi data to another program (Logic pro for example.) Is your software able to do this, or maybe it is configurable to transmit its data via OSC protocol rather than produce the music itself. If so this is fantastic as I would be able to synthesise my own sounds to be sequenced by your software. I realise these questions are probably premature as I have't actually checked out your software as yet, but will go do so right now.

[toxic-dwarf]

This looks like a hefty piece of software with pretty vast capabilities, unfortunately I am a Mac user and I couldn't find a mac version. Are you aware if it works with a Wineskin wrapper? I will download the demo and test this myself and repost here (if i manage to get it working would you like me to send a copy of the wrapped demo to you for your own distribution? I know plenty of mac users, including my university lecturers, who would be very interested in having a fully working copy of this useable on mac) Sorry about the babbling, just rather excited to see what this can do.