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Author Topic: Mandelbrot Hard Iterative zoom 2^180. 100,000,000 iterations in 4K quality!!!  (Read 9863 times)
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« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2014, 03:22:32 PM »

Chillheimer, I didn't expect that YOU will ask me this ;-)

1 - Simpl))))) I love matching to the music. General problem - people match MUSIC to VIDEO. But I'm match VIDEO to MUSIC. For .png sequence I use my own software (SFT Map Visualizer, Fractal Video maker 1.0 etc.) For montage I use Sony Vegas (want to get know details - add me in Skype [mstrkrft_xxl] - I'll teach you ALL information needed to fractal video montage).

2 - At first I make 100% .jpg or .png sequence. For Simple video I make 3 sequances: 5 keyframes at beginning (very slow for montage - 180 frames per key (FPK), for this - 360 FPK for montage), MAIN PART I do with main speed (60 frames per key or 120, for this video I used 180 frames, therefore it slow), and 5-10 frames for end part (slow too for smooth ending). At second I Montage video, 60fps. I use Lagarith Lossless Codec (encoding in .AVI) for lossless quality, of course ;-). After, I use FFMPEG (from zeranoe) and convert video to .mp4 with this parameters:

ffmpeg -i "D:\LOSSLESS.avi" -vcodec libx264 -s:v 1920x1080 -r 30 -b:v 15000k -bt:v 1000K -ab 320K -ar 48000 "D:\RESULTVIDEO.mp4"

For 4K converting I used this:

ffmpeg -i "D:\LOSSLESS.avi" -vcodec libx264 -s:v 3840x2160 -r 60 -b:v 100000k -bt:v 15000K -ab 320K -ar 48000 "D:\RESULT.mp4"

So, there are couple params:

-s:v  - video size in WIDTH x HEIGHT
-r     - frame rate (ususally I use 60fps)
-b:v  - video general bitrate
-bt:v - bitrate tolerance. ALWAYS SET THIS PARAMETER for BEST video QUALITY! Set tolerance as 10-20% from general bitrate.
-ab   - audio bitrate
-ar    - 44100, 48000, 96000, 192000 etc. So, you undertand))))

TIP_1:  Parameters don't works on YouTube, because YouTube makes quality fluffin' awful! HATE! Fractals must have FIRST PRIORITY and higher TOLERANCE.  Without TOLERANCE video will not have nice quality!

P.s. This is my 200-th post. I love fractals! I'm really fractal lover! Our Universe is a FRACTAL!!!
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« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2014, 09:43:31 PM »

P.s. This is my 200-th post. I love fractals! I'm really fractal lover! Our Universe is a FRACTAL!!!
My respect!

I watched your movie again and yes, music stops - zoom stops.
Awesome! I gave you top rate and I don't regret that!
 Repeating Zooming Self-Silimilar Thumb Up, by Craig

PS. What's in the upper right from 3:15 to 3:20? One - one! - black spiral??
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« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2014, 10:40:05 PM »

My respect!

I watched your movie again and yes, music stops - zoom stops.
Awesome! I gave you top rate and I don't regret that!
 Repeating Zooming Self-Silimilar Thumb Up, by Craig

PS. What's in the upper right from 3:15 to 3:20? One - one! - black spiral??

Thank you so much! I'm really happy to read this! =)

P.s. This is glitches, that I can't solve. Botond wrote something about it - ignoring small addends.
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« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2014, 10:44:09 PM »

P.p.s. I like matching to music everytime. Matching animation to track makes video more dynamic and epic! Who wants to watch total matching to music - you can watch AContrari videos: https://www.youtube.com/user/AContrariProject/videos
This is just matching popular YT videos to dubstep/trap/house music. Some video are stupid, but some is really nice ;-)

No, this is not advertisment, this is example.
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« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2014, 11:04:46 PM »

Nice Video!
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« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2014, 11:06:11 PM »

Nice Video!


Thank you!
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« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2014, 12:06:49 AM »

P.s. This is glitches, that I can't solve. Botond wrote something about it - ignoring small addends.

I tried those locations with version 1.3.7 and all glitches were solved automatically with every parameter left on default. Which version did you use to compute the key frames?
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« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2014, 12:16:19 AM »

Also computed the image with Ignore delta0 if negligible turned off, but that didn't prevent glitches from appearing (but they were then corrected automatically by adding new references).

edit: BTW, Ignore small addends was renamed to Ignore delta0 if negligible in version 1.2.3 released back in August. Since you mentioned it took almost 2 months to make the video, you must have been started computing the key frames using a version earlier than 1.3. Did you compute all key frames using the same version or did you upgrade during the process?
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« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2014, 07:41:59 AM »

Ummm... Strange... I have rendered 10240x5760p. frames in 1.3.5. 
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« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2014, 03:48:20 PM »

Congrats to your 200th post.. smiley


Why are you so surprised that I ask you this?

Anyway:
Thank you so much for sharing the codec details!  cheesy
I never got into ffmpeg because of the commandline-stuff, not my world, too much logic thinking necessary.. wink
by just pasting your parameters I finally got a decent filesize/quality-ratio. looking good and is reasonable small..

do you maybe know of any good GUI to use ffmpeg with?


videos should match to music and not the other way round.. haha, who are you telling this..!
As composer I always have to deal with that. Nearly no filmmaker thinks that way - even though the result can be so much better.
I find "inception" a nice example - the music was there first, the cutters edited the film to match to the music. and I find it works extraordinary well..

problem with fractal movies ist that you are not really flexible, at least with the usual programs. you'd have to calculate a lot, everything has to be imagined before, then rendered(what takes the most time) and if something went wrong you have to recalculate and render again. to get it right can take many frustrating days..  and that kills a lot of (musical) creativity.. I'm just not patient enough..

your approach is really interesting (and it works, obviously) but it probably takes a lot of time to do..
but I guess that's just the way it is, if you want great results, you gotta spend great amount of time..

I'm looking into your sft map maker but haven'T gotten a movie rendered with it..
Problem is, I don't know how to produce a palette (and the pixels/size of the bmp).. any tips for me?
It would be a lot easier, if it just took the palette files out of the kalles fraktaler-files. Or instead of opening bitmaps, also add support for the kfp-palette files?

cheers!

ps: I don't use skype, thanks for your offer, I'll have a look at sony vegas, and if there are any questions, I'll write you a message here on the forum, if thats ok.
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« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2014, 04:05:20 PM »

Congrats to your 200th post.. smiley


Why are you so surprised that I ask you this?

Anyway:
Thank you so much for sharing the codec details!  cheesy
I never got into ffmpeg because of the commandline-stuff, not my world, too much logic thinking necessary.. wink
by just pasting your parameters I finally got a decent filesize/quality-ratio. looking good and is reasonable small..

do you maybe know of any good GUI to use ffmpeg with?


videos should match to music and not the other way round.. haha, who are you telling this..!
As composer I always have to deal with that. Nearly no filmmaker thinks that way - even though the result can be so much better.
I find "inception" a nice example - the music was there first, the cutters edited the film to match to the music. and I find it works extraordinary well..

problem with fractal movies ist that you are not really flexible, at least with the usual programs. you'd have to calculate a lot, everything has to be imagined before, then rendered(what takes the most time) and if something went wrong you have to recalculate and render again. to get it right can take many frustrating days..  and that kills a lot of (musical) creativity.. I'm just not patient enough..

your approach is really interesting (and it works, obviously) but it probably takes a lot of time to do..
but I guess that's just the way it is, if you want great results, you gotta spend great amount of time..

I'm looking into your sft map maker but haven'T gotten a movie rendered with it..
Problem is, I don't know how to produce a palette (and the pixels/size of the bmp).. any tips for me?
It would be a lot easier, if it just took the palette files out of the kalles fraktaler-files. Or instead of opening bitmaps, also add support for the kfp-palette files?

cheers!

ps: I don't use skype, thanks for your offer, I'll have a look at sony vegas, and if there are any questions, I'll write you a message here on the forum, if thats ok.


Can you chat with me???
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« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2014, 08:43:32 AM »

Here - who wants original 4K - download here: https://mega.co.nz/#!l8NAGRSS!MZkpIMjUYAG0dekDivYyzTd3_9dAmLHJcAO_8TygIts

Thank you! Great work!
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« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2014, 12:46:00 PM »

Can you chat with me???
yes, but:
where, when and how?

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« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2014, 03:49:18 PM »

yes, but:
where, when and how?



Where - in a chat (Skype or social media site - vk.com/facebook for example)
When - I can chat in evening any day
How - Social media =) Skype or site!

You can choose any variant.
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« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2014, 05:49:49 PM »

Ummm... Strange... I have rendered 10240x5760p. frames in 1.3.5. 

OK, I have found that those curved glitches were caused by an optimization that produces strange results in areas with highly different iteration values. This optimization will be switchable from the next release. You can leave Ignore delta0 if negligible on.
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