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As far as I feel fractal video should be 'accompanied' by some special music, not songs, to my mind. And my home music collection doesn't meet the requirements. Some classic music may be OK, but not that much to have a choice. Can You recommend any web resources where one can listen to that kind of 'fantasmagoric'\'psychodelic' audio and download for further use?
Thank You in adbance,
Sfumato.

I worry too much about copyright arguments, so I make my own - EXTREMELY CRAPPY - music.

I take audio of my fiancee talking from any one of a vast number of videos of her, import it into Audacity  (free audio editor), add echoes and reverb and various other effects until it has a sort of a rhythm thingy to it, then import that audio into a "wav to midi" converter and create a whole bunch of files using different midi "voices" which I then bring back into Audacity and combine tracks, experimenting until things work well.

It often comes out very strange, but invariably moody and original with no possibility of copyright claims!

Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDmmV-MglEw

And a slightly more complex one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzlClSkRUNA

Once I took ambient audio from a clip with no speech, and made this haunting soundtrack  (none of the "all midi" versions sounded good to me, so I mixed in the original wav file with all it's echoes and stuff - I really liked how the audio in this one turned out!)

http://www.vimeo.com/23015049

My favorite part of making "music" this way is that I know it all started with audio of the woman I love talking!  It makes it so much more personally satisfying   :devil:



EDIT -

And never forget, music can be omitted and replaced by Sound Effects!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bAl7muCjTc

Thank You for the brilliant idea, Sockratease!
I like Your audio in the videos You uploaded. It really complies with the video perfectly!
I used to think that making audio is far more complicated task and wasn't ready to start composing electronic music by myself in order to make audio background for my video.
With kindest regards,
Sfumato.

You can search for fractal music, there are many people doing it, in www.fractovia.org there are some links for software and mp3

Grateful for Your tip, surrealista1! I remember visiting that site at time I didn't need music for video. Should be revisited.
With best regards,
Sfumato.

This song on youtube's audio swap is really good. audioArtist: 009 Sound System, Track: Dreamscape it fits beautifully with zoom movies and mandelbulb flyovers.

Also Kevin Mcleod has released hundreds of free tracks.   http://incompetech.com/m/c/royalty-free/

I had tended to use classical music, as much of that is old enough to be public domain (recordings have a separate copyright, but if it was performed and recorded for a US military ceremony, it's again public domain).

Unfortunately there are problems with YouTube's ContentID with classical music, probably stemming from the system not being able to distinguish between a public domain recording of a public domain performance of a public domain classical composition and a non-public-domain recording of a private performance of the same composition. Companies hire bands to play classical music and record it and sell compilation CDs and they upload their recordings to ContentID, which then matches them with distinct performances from the same original work. Or something like that.

So for this year's competition entries I constructed all-original soundtracks, mostly synthetic, using (of course) Audacity. The non-synthetic bits are from recording sounds I made in my own home with all radios and TVs off, so no possibility of any copyright issues there either.

So if this year's soundtracks from me sound a bit strange, that's why. :)

On the other hand, since each soundtrack is composed especially for its video, it may "fit" better to it than a work composed in some other context, for some other purpose.

Yeah I actually had a recording I made of classical MIDI get flagged as copyrighted - if you challenge it the flag is removed. They obviously use the same algorithm regardless of the composition's copyright.

Any of the music from my webpage is free to download and you are welcome to use any of my music for your videos (If you do use any a simple credit with link to my site would be very nice! :dink:) http://toxicdwarf.net (http://toxicdwarf.net)

Hi Everyone,

Actually I've come at this from a different direction, I make fractal music and have been looking for good videos, especially fractal videos, to put the music to :). Actually got the idea as a result of a question from a user of my software asking if my program can create nice fractal videos to accompany the music.

Anyway, my software can't create fractal videos, but it can create interesting fractal music, and the two go with each rather well I think, see what you make of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGpb6JmCANM&list=PLjdDsipyFoLUGZ-9QGdsn2P-eWagKa4u-

Playlist of them all: (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjdDsipyFoLUGZ-9QGdsn2P-eWagKa4u-&feature=view_all)

You can use any of the demo tunes for your own work including commercially, and you can also use Tune Smithy to create new fractal music of your own. You don't need to be a composer or to have musical training to use the software, just vary the parameters to create new tunes much like the way you work with visual fractals:
http://robertinventor.com/software/main/acceptable_use.htm

To find out about the fractal tunes and download Tune Smithy see:
http://robertinventor.com/software/tunesmithy/tune_smithying.htm
More fractal tune videos here:
http://robertinventor.com/software/tunesmithy/tune_smithy_videos.htm

BTW I'll link back to this post from that page, just haven't got around to doing it yet but will be glad to link to fractalforums.com, great site :)

hello and welcome to the forums ;)

can you elaborate what you mean with "fractal music" do you auto-generate the music somehow ? or do you apply fractal techniques to the creation of your patterns ?!

Thanks :). Yes, Tune Smithy auto generate the music, from a short seed phrase, usually just three or four notes or so, can be a bit longer.

In actual use it is much like a visual fractal, you can choose from presets - and you vary the parameters, and it also has a "Randomize" button which you can keep pressing until you get a tune that you like for the simplest way of all to use it. Or you can enter a musical seed as numbers, or play it in as a melodic phrase, and use that as the basis for the tune. That's what it does anyway - just a case of whether  you use one of the pre-existing "seeds" or you create one yourself.

It then creates an endless "sloth canon number sequence" from your seed phrase and uses that to construct the tune. A sloth canon is a canon where each part plays the same tune (like a normal canon like Frere Jacques) except, each part plays it slower than the previous part so first part might play it at normal speed, second part at a third of the speed, third part at a ninth of the speed and so on.

Just discovered recently that a closely related technique was used long ago by the Danish composer  Per Nørgård

Gone into the maths of it a bit here: Self Similar Sloth Canon Number Sequences (http://robertinventor.com/ftswiki/Self_Similar_Sloth_Canon_Number_Sequences)

The sloth canon structure makes the music self similar, in a way closely related to visual fractals. If you play the tune say 3 times faster or 3 times slower then you get exactly the same melody line and the whole tune may sound similar.

Except - just as for visual fractals, the similarity may not be an exact one as I transform it in various ways, sometimes so much that it completely obscures the basic canon structure to a human listener, yet somehow the whole thing coheres.

The interesting thing is that it makes almost no use at all of standard composing techniques. That the tunes work and sound musical must be due to some deeper connection between fractals and music because if you were to analyse it then you would find it isn't really structured much like a conventional composition at all - and yet can sound very similar to human ears to a conventional composition. And - there are many connections between musical composition and fractals, seems musical composition is naturally fractal in some ways.

Does this answer your question?

Hello and welcome to the forums!

I found your website a while ago trying to get info for a personal quest of mine, but don't want to sidetrack this thread.  It was to do with one of the other programs on your site - the 3D Lissajuous Curve Generator  O0  (Everybody who knows me knows why I wanted information on this!)

Maybe we can discuss it if you make an introduction thread, or someplace else.  Or if you like, the question is here:  http://www.fractalforums.com/mandelbulb-3d/re-custom-formulas-and-transforms-release/msg33137/#msg33137 (http://www.fractalforums.com/mandelbulb-3d/re-custom-formulas-and-transforms-release/msg33137/#msg33137)  I am unable to answer it sufficiently for the purpose   :angry:

OK, back on topic; this sort of toy is just the thing for my fractal video music needs!  I make some pretty crazy music using silly techniques.  I'd like to add Tune Smithy to my arsenal.

Thanks for posting, and enjoy the forums.

I have only just read this post and am about to investigate your fractal music maker. I am a music producer and have been creating algorithmically composed music using the program Supercollider. This software is code based and it is capable of transmitting midi data to another program (Logic pro for example.) Is your software able to do this, or maybe it is configurable to transmit its data via OSC protocol rather than produce the music itself. If so this is fantastic as I would be able to synthesise my own sounds to be sequenced by your software. I realise these questions are probably premature as I have't actually checked out your software as yet, but will go do so right now.

This looks like a hefty piece of software with pretty vast capabilities, unfortunately I am a Mac user and I couldn't find a mac version. Are you aware if it works with a Wineskin wrapper? I will download the demo and test this myself and repost here (if i manage to get it working would you like me to send a copy of the wrapped demo to you for your own distribution? I know plenty of mac users, including my university lecturers, who would be very interested in having a fully working copy of this useable on mac) Sorry about the babbling, just rather excited to see what this can do. 

perfect, thank you for that, and now i have the third news for a new "better" chaosTV news issue :D stay alert!

Coooool! You must have had a copy of Arrien Zinghini. Noone else had a Copy of this piece without Intro and Outro. But don't bother, I published under a CC License just because I waned it to be shared and you respected the license mostly.
On the other Hand we need to stay true. Jesse's mandelbulb 3d deserves a lot of Credits, but not in that case. The whole animation was developped and rendered in mandelbulber http://www.mandelbulber.com/ (http://www.mandelbulber.com/). I would like it, when you let your viewers know... ;D

Yes, it can do that, the default is to send the notes via midi and that's how I did all the tunes for the videos. So sounds like you should be able to use it with Supercollider.

It can also export the music as midi files, so you can use direct conversion of the midi to audio.

It doesn't have any support for Osc yet.

Any more questions be sure to say :). Thanks!

Hello! Thanks, I've had a look at the thread, and I don't know an escape time formula for Lissajous 3D curves as I just used the method of multiple interacting sine waves one for each axis similar to the way they are created on an oscilloscope. (or sometimes more than one if you want e.g. spirograph effects).

So, not sure that there is much I can say. But I can do an introduction post as you suggest, and if you want to discuss more we can do it there. And, thanks for your interest in Tune Smithy :).

Yes do go ahead and give it a go.

I don't know if it does or not, and if you like to give it a go, will be really interested likewise to hear how it turns out. This is the first time I've  heard of wineskin.

I've known users who were able to run it successfully on Linux under Wine so you have a chance of getting it to work.  If it crashes then with a bit of luck it might generate a detailed bug report which I can use to help fix the crash or if anything else happens not quite right also do let me know.

I also have had a few users use it on a Mac with Virtual PC long ago but tended to be slow (though that was some years ago probably different now). That shouldn't be an issue with Wine though, if you get it to run :).

So anyway yes, it will be great to see what happens, thanks!

I did a midi piece with a program called "Musinum" four or five years ago.  I thought the program had potential but the latest version I find is from 1999.  I didn't use the program much  after I did that one tune with it.  Mainly I was excited at the time that I was able to get a recognizable chord progression out of the program.  (It wasn't easy!)  Some more info is here:

http://www.fractalforums.com/fractal-music/animation-with-midi-tune/msg57691/#msg57691

Yes, that's interesting :) Thanks. The chords make quite a difference, I've heard  other Musicnum tunes somewhere before. Likewise, it was a nice breakthrough when I figured out how to do chord progressions in Tune Smithy :).

I came across Musicnum but haven't done anything with it myself, which doesn't mean much as I've put all my efforts into Tune Smithy. I've found the author's website here:
http://reglos.de/musinum/
and he is obviously active in his research and other areas but not taken the program further.

Programming does take masses of time, especially to get it polished and deal with glitches, so it's no surprise if people give up on it. It's only through a combination of various chances and factors that I ended up spending so much time on writing Tune Smithy and it is the result of years of full time programming time. And it is by no means perfect :). I hope to do a new version some time as you see from the website - but whether I'll be able to do it this year - or more likely maybe next year, keep thinking, maybe this year I'll be able to get on with it again :). All my programming at the moment is taken up by another program Bounce Metronome, a software metronome for musicians that does complex rhythms. But when I do eventually update FTS supposing I can, then (after probably a lot of extra work to integrate them with the fractal tunes) will have all these new rhythms features available for it, that I developed for Bounce.

BTW seems Lars Kindermann has to do with this live feed from beneath the ice in the Antarctica :)

Listen to the mysterious singing icebergs of Antarctica :) (under the sounds of ice section), no-one knows how they make the sound.

BTW I found that iTunes could play the live feed, though Media Player couldn't
http://www.awi.de/en/news/background/palaoa_what_does_the_southern_ocean_sound_like/

This may be worth looking at.  I dont know about this site exactly but ccmixter is a site where songwriters and musicians can download and add instruments to other peoples music. The A Cappella section has completed songs i think.
The following is the advert for their digccmixter section.

Looking for Music?
 Looking for music for a video, school project, game you’re developing, podcast or just for listening in your cubicle or mobile music device?

Find exactly the music you’re looking for - podsafe, liberally licensed - using dig.ccMixter Music Discovery tool.

Find out why one out of six uploads to ccMixter are used in a YouTube(tm) video, flickr moving image, podcast, compilation album and thousands of other places all over the web.

Start digging at dig.ccMixter

Actualy you can do certain tricks with audacity. Increase tempo of track by some 5% without increasing pitch, and youtube woun't recognise the track. I never used this for any sort of comercial compositions, becouse that would be unethical, and if the artist are least known then I put all the links possible.

But many of the ethnical / folck music is pretty much public domain. But then increasing the speed of composition will make youtube not to recognise it as such. Alsou many real folk is slow if compared with music of fast modern life.
Such as this http://files.realmusic.ru/download/968930/obamama_-_Chermen.mp3 (http://files.realmusic.ru/download/968930/obamama_-_Chermen.mp3)

Wikimedia have pretty cool piece of fractal music. Themself no so very musical, but in audacity I created fractal bass by removing all high pich sounds and noises and somewhat lowering track pitch. You can hear it in previous track (ethno alsou don't have basses).
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AFractal_Study_-1.ogg (http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AFractal_Study_-1.ogg)

Just to say the audio recordings I used in the video from Tune Smithy is released under the CC by license. I have just put up a new section on the audio recordings page on bouncemetronome.com clarifying this.

Realised from these posts, that many of you will want an audio file you can just use as it is right away, no need to convert midi to audio or anything. If you use one of the renderings I did myself, that's fine, just need to attribute it to me.

I've uploaded some of the audio recordings here:
Audio clips of Tune Smithy Tunes (http://www.bouncemetronome.com/fractal-tunes/audio-clips-of-tune-smithy-tunes)
which is also where you can find the license for the tunes.

I have many more recordings on my hard disk which I can upload and would be delighted if anyone wants to use any of them with your brilliant 3D fractal videos here :).

If you do your own rendering to audio of the Tune Smithy demo tunes that come with the program, including commercial use, no attribution is needed.

I'll be doing new tunes myself, and mixing some more audio with creative commons fractals at some point, though I've been caught up with a lot of programming recently and so that's why I've not done any more yet.

Just to say - I've managed, with some help, to set up a Linux virtual machine with Wine on my computer (using VirtualBox and KSStudio for the distribution) and am in the process of making Bounce Metronome compatible with Wine. Found one bug and fixed it, and some minor issues also fixed, and it seems to be working fine. So will also be testing and debugging FTS 3 on Wine too once I've got it sorted out for Bounce, probably some time next week. That might well help with the idea of making a wineskin for it.

More later,

Robert