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Title: Has everything that can be already been encoded in a mathematical formula?
Post by: DOMEHEAD on June 10, 2011, 10:59:13 AM
Sorry if to some the question might appear nonsensical or even naive.  As I see more and more interpretations of fractals it seems that every mechanical structure, space and even concepts are already encoded in the mathematical formula from which fractals are derived.  Is this  because maths is simply a representation of our physical reality, space, shapes, forces etc.? Why does everything appear to already be, 'in there'?


Title: Re: Has everything that can be already been encoded in a mathematical formula?
Post by: Sockratease on June 10, 2011, 11:58:39 AM
Sorry if to some the question might appear nonsensical or even naive.  As I see more and more interpretations of fractals it seems that every mechanical structure, space and even concepts are already encoded in the mathematical formula from which fractals are derived.  Is this  because maths is simply a representation of our physical reality, space, shapes, forces etc.? Why does everything appear to already be, 'in there'?

I have yet to see a decent Fractal Cow.

And yes, I think since Math was created to describe The Universe that it would be even more of a shock if we never found such things in it.  That would imply our Math is inadequate to the task for which it was created.   O0


Title: Re: Has everything that can be already been encoded in a mathematical formula?
Post by: DOMEHEAD on June 10, 2011, 12:41:58 PM
Fascinating.  Now you've said that, how long do you think it will be before someone on FF comes up with one? :beer:


Title: Re: Has everything that can be already been encoded in a mathematical formula?
Post by: Fractal Ken on July 28, 2011, 04:42:46 AM
I have yet to see a decent Fractal Cow.

Here's one I like.

(http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l540/Fractal_Ken/fractal_cow-render_060123200050.jpg)

It's from http://www.mndl.hu/works/fractalcow (http://www.mndl.hu/works/fractalcow). Authorship is credited as
idea: Gabor Csordas, Gabor Papp
modelling & programming: Gabor Papp

The image carries a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 2.5 Hungary License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.5/hu/). I originally saw it in the Orbit Trap Fractal Art Collection (http://orbittrap.ca/?page_id=2237).


Title: Re: Has everything that can be already been encoded in a mathematical formula?
Post by: Vega on July 28, 2011, 07:18:18 AM
I like Fractal Clock

It's from http://www.funtasticus.com/2008/07/08/daily-selection-177/


Title: Re: Has everything that can be already been encoded in a mathematical formula?
Post by: DarkBeam on July 28, 2011, 12:31:21 PM
Imo, orbit traps are a kind of cheat with fractals... And no, there is no chance to encode all in a formula, and so many fantastic formulas have to be written jet :)


Title: Re: Has everything that can be already been encoded in a mathematical formula?
Post by: cKleinhuis on July 28, 2011, 01:02:31 PM
I like Fractal Clock

It's from http://www.funtasticus.com/2008/07/08/daily-selection-177/
me wanna have!


Title: Re: Has everything that can be already been encoded in a mathematical formula?
Post by: Sockratease on July 28, 2011, 01:11:37 PM
Nice Cow! 

Imo, orbit traps are a kind of cheat with fractals...

You say that as if it's a bad thing   :clown:

Cheating in Art is what it's all about!

Sort of...

I just love any tools that work to enhance other Art Projects.  The more and different tools I can use to get any one finished product, the better.

But I do know what you mean  O0


Title: Re: Has everything that can be already been encoded in a mathematical formula?
Post by: lkmitch on July 28, 2011, 04:23:00 PM
I'm wondering, what is meant by orbit traps being a cheat?  And is it implied that the cheat somehow cheapens or invalidates the fractal image?


Title: Re: Has everything that can be already been encoded in a mathematical formula?
Post by: Sockratease on July 28, 2011, 05:55:22 PM
I'm wondering, what is meant by orbit traps being a cheat?  And is it implied that the cheat somehow cheapens or invalidates the fractal image?

It's usually a reference to putting photographs in orbit traps.  Some people insist that makes it "No longer a fractal" - but I insist it still is, just a fractal with a VERY different sort of coloring algorithm!
(It's Lissa {my fiancee} of course!)

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/slices.png)

I know I post that a lot, but it's to answer a question this time!

Really   O0