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Title: the human fractal
Post by: matty686 on September 17, 2010, 02:47:30 PM
data from the environment enters the brain the brain loops and iterates (thats were the spirit comes in)  occasionally information exits the brain and makes the body move.

the idea is simple and short

 


Title: Re: the human fractal
Post by: bib on September 17, 2010, 05:24:02 PM
I like the concept. In this case I would rather say that ideas are fractal processes. The resulting idea is fed back into another brain, transformed into a slightly different idea, expressed, and so on...


Title: Re: the human fractal
Post by: Thunderwave on September 17, 2010, 06:02:25 PM
I suffer from fractal migraines then! :evil1: :dink:


Title: yah but when you consider ideas you must look at the process from the inside out
Post by: matty686 on September 18, 2010, 11:58:13 PM
with ideas its like your inside a bigger brain and you are just a neuron :dink:


Title: Re: the human fractal
Post by: Thunderwave on September 19, 2010, 06:47:45 AM
Hence, self-referencing!
The idea is to think from outside to within and back, and from inside to outside and back.  Yet!  We must not forget to think completely without and then completely within.  Do this process from within and without until you create a mental fractal being all inclusive, from within and throughout all of everything. Pure knowledge is not just learned but observed at ever angle, like the Mandelbrot set. :alien:


Title: Re: the human fractal
Post by: Bent-Winged Angel on September 20, 2010, 04:09:13 PM
Human beings are chaotic systems.


Title: Re: the human fractal
Post by: lkmitch on September 20, 2010, 06:09:25 PM
Human beings are chaotic systems.

Here's a paper I wrote on just that idea, for a graduate psychology class.

http://www.kerrymitchellart.com/articles/ChaoticWorldView.pdf (http://www.kerrymitchellart.com/articles/ChaoticWorldView.pdf)


Title: Re: the human fractal
Post by: Bent-Winged Angel on September 21, 2010, 04:21:51 PM
ikmitch, I love the fact that you are looking at this from the psychological view!  Generally my favorite view of things.. I am copying your paper soo thast I can have a good read.  I may be commenting/questions later. 


Title: Re: the human fractal
Post by: lkmitch on September 21, 2010, 05:41:59 PM
ikmitch, I love the fact that you are looking at this from the psychological view!  Generally my favorite view of things.. I am copying your paper soo thast I can have a good read.  I may be commenting/questions later. 

Well, I'm not a psychologist, but more of an engineer.  But I'll try to answer any questions you may have.


Title: Re: the human fractal
Post by: Bent-Winged Angel on September 21, 2010, 06:20:29 PM
That's Ok because I'm more of a psychologist than an engineer!


Title: Re: the human fractal
Post by: hobold on September 21, 2010, 11:37:38 PM
I am unsure if human thought in general is fractal. But creative thought processes sure feel chaotic to me. Maybe even fractal, given that sensible patterns eventually arise from that chaos. Of course, all that is purely subjective. I have no idea what really happens in my brain.

But the feel of it does fit the general shape of a dynamical system. You have prerequisites, or constraints, or prior knowledge that you start from. Then you develop these ideas along some trajectory. Sometimes you make progress (just in the sense of moving somewhere else in the space of ideas, not necessarily solving the problem) in great leaps. But at other times, you just turn in circles. Until eventually, after the umpteenth iteration, there is an ever so small disturbance, that yanks you out of the loop. Definitely chaotic, with attractive cycles and high sensitivity to minor changes.


Title: Re: the human fractal
Post by: Bent-Winged Angel on September 21, 2010, 11:47:36 PM
I believe that human thoughts follow algorithms. 


Title: Re: the human fractal
Post by: Thunderwave on September 26, 2010, 06:22:26 AM
I believe that human thoughts follow algorithms. 
Especially when trying to sleep... :evil1: