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Has anyone hear thought of how they "present" there art?  Such as using a movie maker?  IE: WMM, imovie for macs? How important is it?  Do you feel the work should stand on it's own?

Presentation is unrelated (in my view) to whatever software is used to compile it.

It has much more to do with the Bad Jokes used to introduce the stuff!!   :evil1:

I also find that music is very helpful; to tell a story.  Packaging of product.  I do feel it helps immensely.  Providing the "presentation" is not overdone as to take away from the "actual" art.   Software examples were just that examples..

A well written text associated with the artwork is always a plus.
In the same way that an illustration associated with a text (where the text is the artwork) is also a plus.
Or a music with a movie.

Unfortunally, i'm bad at writting critics and reviews in my native langage, and even worse in english. :)

Examples..

Just plain video...

http://www.youtube.com/my_videos_edit?ns=1&video_id=WKkJE3IEOWM&next=%2Fmy_videos

2nd one I would call a movie, being that it tells a story.

http://www.youtube.com/my_videos_edit?ns=1&video_id=GJiDzk76TVA&next=%2Fmy_videos

OK, I suspect I am being dense again...

How does the second one tell any sort of story at all?

It has titles and a soundtrack - but I got no story whatsoever from the video...

Of course, I couldn't make out a single word of the vocals!  Was that in English?  I honestly couldn't tell

I do think titles help, but to be honest - most music people put to these things is too difficult for me to listen to  (I'm not a fan of popular music at all, and actually quite closed minded to almost all "hard edged" music across the board!)  (Nahee_Enterprises did the best job with his Carmina Burana excerpt!)  (I usually just make a midi file out of something totally bizarre).

Well... The title basically says what that person sings...
I didn't get it all either, but he basically sings something about spiderman.

I also don't agree, that that second one features any story, but music in general does help, if it's bearable music :) (I'm probably not as picky as Sockratease with that, though)

Those two clips where rahter boring to me. That fractal is nice for stills but those jumpy zooms where odd...
Presentation counts and here it's not done the best way possible, for that particular fractal...

I think presentation is very important.  A little appropriate text, music, or editing certainly helps set or re-enforce the feelings and ideas portrayed and are good in my opinion.  I think however it's important to not force or overproduce it.  Like anything else at that point it can become "bad art."

All good thought provoking responses! 

I started this post because I was rather surprised after joining these forums that after members spend soo much time creating such great art that they really spend soo lil with presentation. I find it helps getting the mood/feeling across.

For those who do not "get it" that would be my problem for bad "presentation" or looking for a more specific audience?  Less generic?  For example I post this in my BWA movie makers group.  (members are not really familar with fractal art.)  One member knows of musical artist & just happens to love the group.  Needle ina haystack?  I have learned that either well known vocals or insrtrumentals do better in general.  If you found it boring.. well not for me when I 1st taught myslef this! BTW this was just an example of presentation, not really asking for critique of video itself.   Do not have to like message but getting it is important.  The song is by the "CURE"

Also another thought (topic) this brings to mind is whether you create more for yourself or others?

The Cure?  No idea who that is, but I ignore popular culture for the most part.


I create for myself exclusively.  Except when doing Commissioned Art, then I create based on the client's ideas or else I wont get paid!!

Fractal Art is a sideline and rarely leads to paying commissions - but it can happen  O0

However, when making the sorts of stuff I post here it is all about what I enjoy and what I find Aesthetic.  It's nice when others have comments (good, bad, or indifferent - I appreciate the fact that they took the time to react at all).  But the nature of those comments has to strike me as something which I personally feel would be interesting if they are going to effect the way I go about making Art!   :surf:


Edit - Blame my lousy internet computer and it's built in speaker  (yes, Singular!) for not being able to tell if that singing was even in English.  I don't use my computer for music or it would have a decent sound set-up  :evil1:

I agree about doing this for myself.  However I do love to share with others & get comments, constructive criticism.   Definately the asthetics of it.   I'm, probably more into the "Presentation" part more than others, being that I got into this at about the same time that I got into movie making/editing.  Shame you do not have good music to listen to on PC..  I could not survive without my music. Just about all; genres

Oh - Don't worry about that!

I have a REAL Stereo System for Music   O0

Complete with a Bang and Olufsen Linear Tracking Turntable  :D

I like my music so much I could never ruin it by playing it on a computer.   :music:  And I like just about all music too - it's only the vast majority of Rock and Popular Music which I can't stand!

When I started hosting Jim Muth's "Fractal Of The Day" (FOTD), I would surround the image with a fabricated picture frame.  This "frame" was nothing more than the TABLE element used in a particular way in the HTML code:
       http://www.nahee.com/FOTD/ (http://www.nahee.com/FOTD/)
It was colored to what I thought looked best with that day's image.  And I have been doing it the same way ever since.  The web pages are very simplistic, not much has changed since it started in 1997.  But, I thought it gave a better presentation to each FOTD.

My "newest" web pages for fractals, have no background image/color, no music, no fancy banners, no javascript, basically just black text on white with thumbnail images for clicking.  Very Plain !!!!  In fact, the majority of the images do not even use fancy names, they are usually just numbered images.

But when it comes to videos, if the animations are really good, then music is not really necessary.  And besides, most times I would prefer to choose music that I would rather listen to than what was recorded with the video.  The problem with fractal animations, somebody usually just chooses what they would like to listen to.  If these videos were being created by Hollywood, then the music would be specially written for every scene and frame, and it would be made to invoke an emotion to match what was being viewed.
 

Thank you for noticing my attempt with this video:
    Short Mandelbulb3d Video (http://www.fractalforums.com/movies-showcase-(rate-my-movie)/short-mandelbulb3d-video/)
While initially testing the Mandelbulb3D program, I was playing around with the animation options.  I wanted to see how long it took me to render about a minute worth of viewing, at around 25-frames per second.  Just did some simple rotations, and it got my mind thinking about space stations and planet eaters.  That was when the movement "Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi (O Fortuna)" from Carmina Burana, the scenic cantata composed by Carl Orff, came into my head.  So I decided to create a quick video to match the music.

I think more fractal animations should be rendered to match up with a particular soundtrack, than the other way around.
 

Nahee I really enjoyed that! vewry cool.. Music definately made it. EPIC!!!  Now put title/credits.... :tease:

This is somewhat ironic... I was trying to copy an animation.  I use WMM then you tube ass a host.  This time I did not want to go thru the whole "presentation" thing.  Just wanted to copy the animation.  You tube would not accept it saying that I did noit use WMM.  BTW I did ... just did not want to use titles.  Would not take it til I put a title on it!  Soooo the big question is What do the rest of you do?

That's very odd!

I often just use VirtualDub to compile my image sequences into avi files for uploading.

The only time I have issues is when I use odd codecs.  My favorite is the Lagarith Lossless Codec, but it is not accepted by youtube or any other hosting site I've found!

So maybe it was the codec?

Try an uncompressed file as a test.  Maybe even get VirtualDub from Sourceforge.something...  It's a Great tool and quite powerful once you get the hang of how it works.

I delete Windows Movie Maker from my computers when I'm wiping out the bloatware - never considered it any good for anything since I have Pinnacle Studio (the best priced package I could find that still had enough features to keep me happy paying for it!) and I have access to Adobe After Effects at my employment - so I can do Fancy Stuffs and get paid for it (if nobody's looking!!).  I don't much care for Adobe stuff, but After Effects is an exception.  I'll never Own a copy - it's just TOO Expensive - but I will use it when I have access...

Sourceforge... good idea! Also sometimes you tube wrecks havoc with quality.  I was thinking just this morning about playing with codeks ....WMM is the basis for my lil group on a social networking sight.  I got into video making editing about the same time I got into fractals.  Soo combined them nicely! :dink:

I use VirtualDub and the (free) Xvid codec (2 pass mode).

AHHHH ... ;DDownloadable files for VirtualDub are hosted by SourceForge, which provides free services for open-source and free software projects.

VDub is amazing software! I cant believe it is free! it gets the thumbs up from me.  O0

Everybody remembers this image, right?

(http://www.fractalforums.com/gallery/2/162_01_05_10_2_51_01.jpeg)
http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=2255 (http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=2255)

It's in the Mandelbrot section of this year's Contest  (VOTING CLOSES SOON!  Go vote for this image, and all the other images too!!).

Anyway...

I decided to render a zoom down to it!

Had some issues, so I Punished the video by making it worthy of this thread with some titles and a Surprise Ending featuring The Great Pharaoh, Moo Hotep!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHA6qa5gomM


I know...  I should have used an image of Lissa instead.

But that would have been Rewarding the video - I wanted to Punish it!!

And it's more of my own twisted breed of home brewed music.  Ignore it if you want, I just throw these tunes together with far too many Freeware programs and only the running time of the video as a guideline...

moooooooooooooooooo

haha, nice presentation :)

Dang hippy production.. Now that's what I call "preeezentation."  What's with the cow/mooo thing?  ya just wanna milk EVERYTHING for what it's worth?  :D

I tried to explain it in the text of the post;


As for why a cow...

Well, Cows just work well with Fractals.

See:
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/moobugs2.gif)

When others say why?  A  true philosopher like sockratease will say "why not"  :D

rofl, what about sheeps ?!

Ahh yes, the Republicans in the US!  :laugh: