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Title: fractal beach?
Post by: claude on August 01, 2017, 02:53:59 AM
On holiday in Catalonia I noticed the beach had pebbles of different sizes.

Wondering if their size distribution follows a power law or fractal pattern?

Different parts of the beach had different characters, would be interesting to quantify it in some way.

Any related research out there?


Title: Re: fractal beach?
Post by: Tglad on August 02, 2017, 02:01:30 AM
Yes I'm sure it roughly follows a power law within some scale range. Of course it depends on the beach. One problem is that the sea often separates stones by size, so small stones get washed a different distance to large stones. Brighton beaches (England) tend to have stones all about the same size.
I'm sure I've skimmed a few articles which give a basis for the power law, I don't have them with me but the book Fractals, Chaos, Power Laws would I think be a good place to look https://www.amazon.com/Fractals-Chaos-Power-Laws-Infinite/dp/0486472043 (https://www.amazon.com/Fractals-Chaos-Power-Laws-Infinite/dp/0486472043).

There's a really good point here, that you need to get the dimension to actually quantify the beach. Counting stones, weighing total mass or summing stone surface area are all dependent on how fine grained you choose to go (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_paradox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_paradox)). By contrast, if you work out the fractal dimension and obtain the fractal measure (a generalisation of count, length, area... to fractional dimensions), this is invariant to how fine grained you go. You get a real measurement to compare different beaches of the same power law dimension.

By the way, the fractal shape in your image is a type of 'cluster-sponge' in my fractal classification scheme https://sites.google.com/site/simplextable (https://sites.google.com/site/simplextable).


Title: Re: fractal beach?
Post by: claude on September 20, 2017, 05:34:16 PM
the book Fractals, Chaos, Power Laws would I think be a good place to look

I found a copy in a library, but searching through it the only mention of "beach" is in a section about "length of coastline" dimensions, similarly for "pebble".  "Stone" finds a number of sections, one about dry stone walls was interesting and had a picture superficially resembling a rather regular beach, though not created by raw natural phenomena.  I couldn't find anything about the process of pebble sizing in coastal regions or other erosion processes, maybe my keywordfu is too weak.

An interesting book though, I'll go back to it when I have some free time.  Thanks!


Title: Re: fractal beach?
Post by: Chillheimer on September 22, 2017, 12:57:31 PM
please post this in v2 too! :)
(or I'll just copy/post this over there if you're ok)