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Title: Mandelbox vids
Post by: bib on February 14, 2010, 05:28:16 PM
Using Tglad's "Amazing fractal" http://www.fractalforums.com/3d-fractal-generation/amazing-fractal/ implemented by David Makin for Ultrafractal http://www.fractalforums.com/mandelbulb-implementation/update-to-the-mmf-wip-formula-for-ultra-fractal/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pbrn6mzPqw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWVRHl5qB-M


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: kram1032 on February 14, 2010, 05:53:26 PM
Wow, those are really nice! :)
The second one is totally crazy and looks a lot like certain modulo-functions.

Great music too!


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Timeroot on February 14, 2010, 08:43:05 PM
Beautiful!  :thumbsup1:

One the first one, where the box "thins out" at time, are you changing the scale or are you just reducing the DE size? They both give new insight, I think, into the the shape of this object..


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: bib on February 15, 2010, 02:44:29 PM
Thanks :)
To "thin out" the box, I just lower the solid threshold parameter in Dave Makin's formula.

Some more vids :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZba9QF4Iw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYc590G0aIE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRSLJE2F_JA




Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: KRAFTWERK on February 15, 2010, 03:50:02 PM
This is a really cool fractal, and really cool "out of the box"-videos Bib

Just had an "out of the box" experience...  O0


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: bib on February 16, 2010, 09:58:02 PM
and one more :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bpA4yq-vCE


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: cKleinhuis on February 16, 2010, 10:03:19 PM
that shows nice shapes, i wonder if this object would seamlessly tile when displayed beside eachothers ( in all dimensions =)


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: bib on February 16, 2010, 10:11:06 PM
It depends on what you mean by "seamlessly tiled". As the global shape is a cube, of course that would tile. If your question is more to know if the corners of 2 cubes next to each other do the same shape as in the middle of an edge, I think the answer is no.


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Melancholyman on February 17, 2010, 12:22:45 AM
Increduble stuff! Thanks for sharing :) O0


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: cKleinhuis on February 17, 2010, 01:01:49 AM
if the corners of 2 cubes next to each other do the same shape as in the middle of an edge, I think the answer is no.

for example at second 37 in the variations video, it looks like a tile to me ... , more the center of it,
if you cut out the lines you get a nice tile-able texture, but also the whole seems to be tiling


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Timeroot on February 17, 2010, 03:12:43 AM
I think it would tile smoothly, because of the symmetry inherent in the shape. All vertices look like alike, no matter how they are rotated, reflected, or replaced with one another. I think it might even be similar... (haha all the conformal mappings)


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: fractalwizz on February 17, 2010, 03:18:29 PM
excellent videos - looks awesome in youtube HD  :D


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: bib on February 18, 2010, 12:45:12 PM
A shallow zoom onto a mini cube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZJ3B2giRqo

(http://www.fractalforums.com/gallery/1/492_17_02_10_10_52_21.jpeg)
http://www.fractalforums.com/gallery/1/492_17_02_10_10_52_21.jpeg


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Buddhi on February 19, 2010, 06:39:22 PM
Flight inside Mandelbox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W92gRDc_8-Y


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: bib on February 19, 2010, 09:09:09 PM
Thanks for contributing to this thread. Your animation is by far the best!


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: kram1032 on February 20, 2010, 12:24:05 PM
amazing animation :D


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Timeroot on February 20, 2010, 06:00:27 PM
Bib - nice anims and slices. Great stuff!

Buddhi - Incredible fly-throughs! INCREDIBLE!\

 :) :) :)


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: KRAFTWERK on February 22, 2010, 11:11:46 AM
Flight inside Mandelbox


Great animation Buddhi!

Thanks!


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: bib on February 22, 2010, 11:33:03 AM
In a 2D Trance Mandala style:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMSulDloL1Y


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: bib on February 24, 2010, 11:54:50 AM
The animation based on Tglad's sequence http://www.fractalforums.com/images-showcase-(rate-my-fractal)/interior-shots-of-the-mandelbox/msg13150/#msg13150

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h7Rtv9kflo


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: KRAFTWERK on February 24, 2010, 03:30:21 PM
Amaze me non stop...

The first one you should be able to sell to eMpTyVee bib
 O0 O0 O0 O0



Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: bib on February 24, 2010, 08:56:12 PM
Cool, the first vid you think I could sell is probably the only one where I did absolutely nothing except use the power of my PC to render somebody else's work!! :(:(:( this is encouraging :):):) I'm glad my goal is not to make money out of fractals, I would be starving ;-)


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: David Makin on February 24, 2010, 09:14:34 PM
The animation based on Tglad's sequence http://www.fractalforums.com/images-showcase-(rate-my-fractal)/interior-shots-of-the-mandelbox/msg13150/#msg13150

IMHO this is the best fractal video I've seen (of any fractal) ;)


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: bib on February 24, 2010, 09:20:08 PM

IMHO this is the best fractal video I've seen (of any fractal) ;)

Because you are a connoisseur ;) Most people think the best fractal videos are Mandebrot set deep zooms, which could be great too!

The current vid rendering on my PC is based on the same fractal, so wait for a few days for more fun! But I will probably put it on hold to keep some CPU to play with Buddhi's renderer for Windows :)


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: gussetCrimp on February 24, 2010, 09:26:32 PM
Bib this is awesome. Is the light source moving with you? I wonder about the huge shadow moving from left to right around 18"-20" in. The only thing I wish was added to the video was the initial entry to the box so we could imagine what scale we were at relative to the whole thing.

I am intrigued by the "railroad track" on the floor (and ceiling!) of the big chamber... and, when you look to the left and we see a yellow outline, is that the outside? Would we see the same (but reflected) if we looked to the right?

Thank you for these inspiring vids!


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: bib on February 24, 2010, 09:33:44 PM
Yes there is some ambient light plus one light source which is moving with the camera.

In my next video you will see a global view of the cube before we enter into it and follow the "rail"

And yes the yellow outline is the outside. And yes if we looked to the right we would see the same (reflected).



Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Dinkydau on February 25, 2010, 03:29:15 AM

IMHO this is the best fractal video I've seen (of any fractal) ;)

Because you are a connoisseur ;) Most people think the best fractal videos are Mandebrot set deep zooms, which could be great too!

The current vid rendering on my PC is based on the same fractal, so wait for a few days for more fun! But I will probably put it on hold to keep some CPU to play with Buddhi's renderer for Windows :)

I do actually find mandelbrot deep zooms to be the best fractal video's. The mandelbrot set is an interesting fractal with alot of variety. But it's such a simple fractal that everybody can render a deep zoom, so it's nothing special anymore.

Keep up the good work, your video's are special! I like that too, to see fractals I had never seen before.


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: bib on February 27, 2010, 04:23:51 PM
So here is the next one...a little travel through the cube...
There are plenty other things I could do, but I feel I am at a point where I need some new inspiration and motivation. Maybe I spent too much time fractaling in the last 6 months...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe0tXvepoUI



Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Fractex on February 27, 2010, 06:32:31 PM
Beautiful! Like floating through celestial ice caves.


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Jesse on February 27, 2010, 09:06:18 PM
Great video again, Bib!
I think the last one is one of the best ive ever seen, at least from the box (hard to say one is the best because every one is unique).
It gives a very good impression from the complexity + structure of the box!

Of course, Buddhi's one is great too.


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: gussetCrimp on February 27, 2010, 10:45:34 PM
Bib:
> Maybe I spent too much time fractaling in the last 6 months...

Nooo...!! Don't stop, your vids are amazing, I get a little surge of excitement every time I see there's a new one. This one was no disappointment. It's one of the first I've seen where the camera isn't pointed in the direction of travel, and to me that makes it very dramatic. I would love to see more like this, sailing gracefully through the box, but with more twists and turns in the maze, looking all around as you travel.


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Tglad on February 27, 2010, 11:20:23 PM
What Mandelbox variation is that Bib? That gives the shards of ice effect.


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: bib on February 28, 2010, 09:04:31 AM
It's one of the first I've seen where the camera isn't pointed in the direction of travel, and to me that makes it very dramatic. I would love to see more like this, sailing gracefully through the box, but with more twists and turns in the maze, looking all around as you travel.
The fact that the camera is not in the movement direction makes it difficult to navigate not in a straight line, due to the way navigations and rotations are currently implemented in UF by David Makin. I am planning to do a more evolved vid, but it will be probably only 90° turns, otherwise the navigation is almost impossible and mostly based on luck.

What Mandelbox variation is that Bib? That gives the shards of ice effect.
It's a scale 2, almost the same than in the animation based on your sequence of stills.


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Tglad on February 28, 2010, 12:56:10 PM
Quote
It's a scale 2, almost the same than in the animation based on your sequence of stills.
It must be a different formula though, the box looks different from the outside as well as the inside.


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: bib on February 28, 2010, 05:01:36 PM
Apart from a few differences at the beginning (where the camedra is outside) and the end of the video, I forgot to mention the main difference compared to your sequence is the Spherical power: 1 instead of 2.
At the beginning (global view), the spherical power is 2 and becomes 1 when entering the cube. Also the Scale goes from 2.5 to 2.


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: hobold on February 28, 2010, 09:50:53 PM
Bib, if you want to take a break, then do so. It has been a privilege seeing your amazing works, but I know one can sometimes overdo fractal exploration. At the end of the day, you are doing this for yourself, and not for us.

I only came here because I had stumbled over the Mandelbulb and wanted to contribute a single idea. But since I found fractalforums, a new type of fascinating 3d fractal seems to be found every single week. You and a few others are always particularly quick in producing beautiful images and movies. You always have a good eye for interesting spots. I don't think I could keep up this speed without growing tired.

Take your time. And hopefully after a while, you'll return with yet more dazzling imagery.


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: KRAFTWERK on March 01, 2010, 10:37:46 AM
Cool, the first vid you think I could sell is probably the only one where I did absolutely nothing except use the power of my PC to render somebody else's work!! :(:(:( this is encouraging :):):) I'm glad my goal is not to make money out of fractals, I would be starving ;-)

All your animations are great bib, just because it looks like a vid on eMTyVee doesn't mean it is the best you did.  :'(
Take a short fractal-break (a couple of hours ;9 ), and then come back!!!  O0
Johan


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Buddhi on March 01, 2010, 06:22:14 PM
Bib, I also want to say that you are the most productive fractal maniac. Your animations are amazing. I waiting for more animations from you!


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: bib on March 01, 2010, 06:43:13 PM
Thanks for your support guys :)
Animations are very time consuming. For the rendering of course (I would say that my Mandelbulb animations took 3 to 7 days in average) but for the design as well. Going (or zooming) in straight line is not so difficult once you have found an interesting spot, but doing more complex flight paths is very difficult (to me) with the tools I use.
So I think I will do more images than videos in the near future.
Even though the quality of my "work" is not top notch, I have always tried to bring some unseen features to the fractalforumers' and youtubers' attention, say a different point of view (to my knowledge there is nobody else having tried to do deep zooms of the Mandelbulb). Maybe I need to come back to my earlier set of mind: doing it only for my own pleasure, not caring about doing very "polished" images/vids. It's always a matter of finding a compromise between quality and speed of production. I like both. I'm not the kind of fractalist (I would not dare calling myself an artist) who will come back again and again to the same image until I found the perfect colors, combination of layers, etc...On the other hand, I try at least not to do pictures/vids that are too similar to each other. Do you remember the debate about a certain person who was proud to have done xxx tens of thousands of (uninteresting) fractals ? This is something I want to avoid. I try to have a balanced approach.


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: KRAFTWERK on March 02, 2010, 12:06:08 PM
Doing it for your own pleasure is the key phrase bib!

I have spent whole weekends carrying my laptop around the house, waiting for the rendering to finish to start the next one.
I will do this as long it still feels interesting, then I will probably carry on to something else... But I think I will continue the exploration of 3D-mandels for quite a while longer.
And I did settle for still images, because I want maximum detail  O0 O0 O0 O0

Anyway, hope to see more renderings from you here, in whatever form!
I have enjoyed all so far!

Johan


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Buddhi on March 07, 2010, 06:20:23 PM
Hi

After many days of rendering I can present new Mandelbox animation in HD resolution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgdN5yO39UI

Animation was rendered using Mandelbulber 0.21
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mandelbulber/


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Timeroot on March 07, 2010, 06:48:54 PM
That's an incredible animation! Is there some way to keep the light source constant, so the shadows aren't always moving? It's distracting...  :sad1:

It's a nice background, btw...  :D


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Buddhi on March 07, 2010, 07:02:11 PM
That's an incredible animation! Is there some way to keep the light source constant, so the shadows aren't always moving? It's distracting...  :sad1:

Good suggestion about the light source. I will add option to my program to set constant direction of the light.


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: kram1032 on March 07, 2010, 07:17:02 PM
Hmm...
VERY Nice :D
I have an idea for the lighting:
Maybe you could do an HDR-version of the Buddhabrot, mapped to the Riemann Sphere (so, the samples aren't reduced to 0-255 or 0.0-1.0 but rahter to 0.0-2.5 or something)

It's a great idea to combine this as background with that :D


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Jesse on March 07, 2010, 11:59:57 PM
Incredible video, just perfect.
The shadow doesnt disturbs me here, it gives some extra information. (for all the hours calculation time, it would be a bit waste to fix the shadow pattern on the surface... maybe)


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: KRAFTWERK on March 08, 2010, 10:31:22 AM
Hi

After many days of rendering I can present new Mandelbox animation in HD resolution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgdN5yO39UI

Animation was rendered using Mandelbulber 0.21
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mandelbulber/

Woah!!! Breathtaking Buddhi!
This is 2 much! ;)

THANK YOU for rendering/sharing!!


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Sockratease on March 08, 2010, 12:12:56 PM
Wowzy.

That makes Mandelbulber next on my list of programs to try!

Great work.


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: aluminumstudios on March 08, 2010, 04:15:13 PM
Excellent work Buddhi.  I love how the buddhabrot is staring down from the menacing red sky.


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: bib on March 09, 2010, 11:47:49 PM
In a less realistic style than Buddhi's: :):)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcbBwVuz75o


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Buddhi on March 10, 2010, 07:55:53 AM
@bib, I like this kaleidoscope effect. Your videos are never boring :)


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: KRAFTWERK on March 10, 2010, 08:48:00 AM
Cool bib, the start makes me think of Silicon Valley and chips, then this rapid hippie-elevation down the different shapes @:-I


Title: Variations of Julia Parameters in Mandelbox
Post by: trafassel on March 26, 2010, 08:37:35 PM
Mandelbox variant with

if m<r         m = m/sqrt(r)
  else if m<1 m = 1/sqrt(m)

Instead of:

if m<r         m = m/r^2
  else if m<1 m = 1/m^2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD3sLgBNXOM


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: homporgo on August 07, 2010, 01:36:59 PM
Hello fractalforums!

This is my first attempt with this magnificent software, Mandelbulb 3D.
http://www.vimeo.com/13886600
check out the youtube version too

I know nothing about formulas,or parameters, just played around and this was the result  :banana:
So i dont know what should be its correct name or is the simple "mandelbox" is right?

Rendering time was 12 days on 1280x720 resolution and with "2" antialiasing.
I wanted to zoom much deeper but at the end part a single frame took 18 minute to render but at the first frames this time was 2-3 minute.
Maybe a noob question, but is it possible with some parameter adjusting to zoom more deeper with the same frame calculating time?


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Sockratease on August 07, 2010, 01:48:43 PM
Hello and Welcome!

Nice first effort.

Unfortunately, deeper zooms will always take longer to render.  It's a thing that happens with all fractals - deeper zooms = more math = more calculation time.

No way around that one.

But I can say that 18 minutes for a frame is not that bad!

We have people here who let animations run for months on end   O0

Patience is needed (and an extra offline computer to dedicate exclusively to rendering is also helpful).

And yes, Mandelbox is as good a name as any for that particular fractal.

I look forward to seeing more from you. 



Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Jesse on August 07, 2010, 08:39:36 PM
Maybe a noob question, but is it possible with some parameter adjusting to zoom more deeper with the same frame calculating time?

Not really, as Sockratease already mentioned. You can only try a lower accuracy setting, for the Box or IFS fractals a value of 3 is often working, but that depends on the specific fractal parameters.

However, with antialiasing it is always slow, i hope i can do a faster aa in the next version.

And not at least: very nice zoom!


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: homporgo on August 07, 2010, 09:03:00 PM
Thanks for the answers!

Then it is just a question of the CPU strenght? i guess

Keep going Jesse. This all mandelbulb thing and these softwares are incredibly amazing!  :D so many possibilities


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Nahee_Enterprises on August 15, 2010, 01:43:15 PM
    Hello fractalforums!
    This is my first attempt with this magnificent software, Mandelbulb-3D.
          www.vimeo.com/13886600
    I know nothing about formulas, or parameters, just played around and this was the result

Greetings, and Welcome to this particular Forum !!!    :)

Jesse has created a very nice piece of software, and it should bring you many hours of interesting exploration.  Looking forward to your future efforts with the program.
 


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: homporgo on September 06, 2010, 10:44:57 PM
Thank you Nahee!  ^-^
Here is my newest effort:
http://vimeo.com/14733451
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co4Sql0aVXM

Inspired by Rathinagiri's work
http://www.fractalforums.com/images-showcase-%28rate-my-fractal%29/my-3d-stereo-fractals/

The rendering time was nearly 1 month :hurt:
I had to rotate manually every keyframe and render separately for the left eye. Not that difficult, but in the next Mandelbulb 3D version maybe a stereo option would be very nice.


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: trafassel on September 07, 2010, 08:12:32 AM
Great stereographic effect.
 


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Jesse on September 07, 2010, 08:55:01 PM
Good work, i wish i had a 3d system... crosseyed it is not so easy to follow.
But what i see and hear is very good!
3d animation would not be so difficult to do, letting always 2 images rendered...
are there standard values for rotations and probably shiftings?


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: homporgo on September 07, 2010, 10:44:27 PM
Good work, i wish i had a 3d system... crosseyed it is not so easy to follow.
Just hold your eyes horizontally, then it's easy  :dink:



are there standard values for rotations and probably shiftings?
First I rotated with the 3D navigator, but that wasn't so good, needed some correction shift or zoom.
Then I found that a simple rotate in the main program with 6-11 units (depends on what depth you want) produces nice 3D effect.


Title: Re: Mandelbox vids
Post by: Jesse on September 08, 2010, 03:24:57 PM
Just hold your eyes horizontally, then it's easy  :dink:

My problem is that i see crosseyed unsharp, so i took two lenses to see sharper, but the lenses were not exactly the same.
That could explain why it was not so easy to align the images  :dink:

Quote
First I rotated with the 3D navigator, but that wasn't so good, needed some correction shift or zoom.
Then I found that a simple rotate in the main program with 6-11 units (depends on what depth you want) produces nice 3D effect.

I see, the rotation in the main window was once made because of this feature.
Though i may find a function that fits better for the 3D effect.