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Hey, my name is Chloe, and a crew of us made a program that Encrypts your 3D assets. It's called D3CRYPT3D. We just launched the beta today and would love for you to register, test it out, and give us any feedback you may have. We just want to make an amazing product and finally get 3D artists the credit they deserve.

Here is the link to download the software- http://www.d3crypt3d.net/download.html

Note: D3CRYPT3D is only available for PC right now, but will be available for Mac very soon!

Thanks!

How does this differ from...

services/ServiceMenus/encryptfile
services/ServiceMenus/encryptfolder

??? as far as I can tell I have the ability to encrypt files and entire folders already built into the system ???

Our software has built in asset-tracking functionality allowing you to see real-time who is accessing your object after you share it. This gives the creator an audit trail.

Thank you for you question!

This still puzzles me a bit, I may have to ask a few more dumb questions...

if I have an encrypted object and then share the object and key(s) what is stopping an individual from sharing the decrypted object?
it has  to get decrypted in order to be able to see it right?

my webserver logs every ip number and every access to every file on my site, I already know who is accessing and how often, if there was anything I didn't want to share it simply would not be on my webserver and if you purchase a digital asset from me it belongs to you and you can do whatever you like with it.

Some time ago, a person un-named, took images from this site (FF) and posted them elsewhere as their own, it didn't take long before the account was shut down and removed, can you provide some insight as to why your software is needed? is it just the novelty of seeing how many likes my artwork gets? facebook already does that and has a lot of fancy statistical features for those people who have a need to see the stats on a particular image they post or page they wrote.

Sounds an awful lot like spyware to me.

What will stop an anti-virus or firewall from intercepting this activity and quarantining the assets??

What personal information is it leeching from my system without permission?

Is it an IP Address?  If so, what about those of us using proxies and vpn's for the web?  ISP's who use a Dynamic IP Address?  Wont that generate large quantities of false positives for every IP Address we use?  I'm not certain that is legal in all countries.

Or is it digging even deeper and sending machine id codes?  I'm not certain that wont anger a lot of users.

What about a user who has multiple computers?  Buying a 3D Asset has never, in my experience, limited the buyer to a single machine on which it can be used.

In this age of privacy protection, this software may run afoul of ethical considerations if it is tracking stuff, and broadcasting personal information, without end user consent and taking all these other possibilities into consideration.

I was going to get to some of those points but I wanted to determine it's level of uselesness first ;)

Great questions.  So the purpose of the software is to protect your assets and allow you to control who can access them.  Not on a basis of here is the key, use it to unlock it, rather i am granting you access to this file for these purposes.  In order to open the file in our release version you will need the plugin or agent (same with beta but with many more useful enhancements and a web based version along with a plugin version).  That is one of the most important parts of the equation.  That allows the system to keep you in charge of your assets.
The interest is not in seeing how many downloads you get.  The interest is in knowing the people you have intended to share your assets with are the only ones accessing them and making sure that is the case via the encryption.  Should the case be that your asset is cracked and stolen, the intent is that you can have a record of where this leak took place.  Ultimately we intend for this solution to be ubiquitous and implemented in such a manner that allows you to control the level of tracking as well as not have to think about the process and have protection once you install as a plugin to your preferred 3D design platform.


I have to apologize for the delay in my response as we have been focused on getting our release version ready along with wiring our offices.

Please keep the questions coming as they are super appreciated.

Spyware mines your data for nefarious purposes.  Our software does nothing of the sort.  Our software simply enables you to track your assets and ensure the people you intend to share or sell your 3D assets to, are the only ones using it.  The end user will need to consent to have the agent or plug in installed in order to access the file you intend to share.  They have already agreed to purchase it from you or you have agreed to trust them and share it.  The only data passing after that point is data to you, (if you choose to enable asset tracking). Instead of having a 10 page long agreement to not look at and click ok, it will be clearly denoted as to what information the program will make a note of.  The intent of our product is to protect the creator and allow for secure sharing while preventing piracy. 

Please continue with the questions / complaints and I will do my best to not take 2 weeks to answer.


I missed a few questions in my response sorry:

As far as the IP question goes, we use a combination of elements to uniquely identify a machine which is attempting to access an encrypted / protected object. 

In the release you will be able to configure the number of machines an object is allowed to be used on.

As far as the ethical considerations, this software is to protect the creators and deter theft of assets.  The asset thieves have no ethical considerations nor do the hollywood studios who steal them and then use them in their multimillion dollar productions.  We however understand that people may be averse to such information being collected and will be releasing a library version of our product which in tandem with the plugin or agent will control access to an object via login along with usage parameters to prevent abuse.

Sorry, but "I promise to use the private information I steal from you under the guise of 'security' only for Good and never for Evil" is no protection at all for the consumer!  Your intent does not enter into a decision about the ethics of such software.  Only your actions.

I doubt your reasons will protect you from the legal ramifications of collecting such data.

I am highly suspicious of such software and would absolutely never buy anything that was so intrusive!   :police: :siren: :police:

Your goals are admirable, but your methods are highly suspect, overly intrusive, and very probably illegal in several countries.

My best machines are offline, and never will be online.  Sounds like you'll be not only be invading my privacy, but also preventing me from using my high end computers with your products because they never go online.

You need to rethink this whole idea from the ground up!

hmmm... do you code like you answer questions ??? etc. etc. etc.  :clown:

Lol... great encryption for spyware-like soft. Nice try  ;D :beer:

There are numerous ways to copy, share or duplicate files. The simplest of those would be to open them with notepad and copying the raw data and putting it somewhere else. So I would say there is not a good reason to use a program like this if it does not limit any of that as well to protect files. It would limit creators more than it would help them. And I certainly would not want a software nosing around on my system, I do not think other would think differently about it.

I should also point out that DAZ3D (one of - if not the - biggest 3D Model Marketplaces in the entire world) introduced encryption to their products not long ago.  The backlash was incredible!!

Customers left in droves.

They eventually decided that since they thought they were fighting piracy with the measure that it had to stay  (some board idiots who do not understand the real world insisted) but the ultimate method was to keep them encrypted only for their first year  (possibly 6 months - I forget) then make unencrypted versions available.

As one who fights piracy professionally, I can assure you that this is not a good idea.  Your whole product will do nothing but generate animosity and bad customer relations.

You should know two things about pirates of digital products :

#1 is that encryption and other forms of protection are fun for them to break.  It's their entertainment and they are very good at it.

#2 is that this will not help sales at all.  People who pirate stuff are among the last ones to ever buy it!  So if they would never buy it anyhow, no sales are lost.  And if it angers customers, it has the net effect of losing sales - not boosting them.

My opinion is that your entire product is misguided and a horrible idea.

I think the other posts in this thread from other members are just a small example of what to expect if you insist on continuing with this project.  

It's bad customer relations.  It hurts sales.  And it does next to nothing to stop piracy.

To believe otherwise is naive and will very likely backfire on you.

All that said, I admit that it is bad form to criticize so harshly without offering up a better idea   O0

So my suggestion is this : Try what the Porn Sites I work for do!  They use a technique similar to what is called Steganography.  Steganography is a trick used to hide information in a digital image.  You can add text to the header of the file.  Anything from a secret message to a unique identifier.  The videos these people sell each have a unique identifier in every copy sold which gets linked to the buyer.  Then if they see their stuff on a pirate site, they just download it, look at the identifier, find out who bought that particular serial number, and prosecute!

Very simple.  Totally non-intrusive.  100% Legal in all countries.  And fun!

Yes, it's not 100% effective, but neither is any other method available.

I hope you take these criticisms in the spirit they are intended and not as personal attacks.  Either way, good luck with whatever you choose to do, and be prepared for the backlash if you continue on the course you are currently following   O0

My name is Dosa Kim with D3CRYPT3D, I've been a 3d modeler for some time and to be a 3d artist takes a lot of discipline and time to make half the things we do. The music industry goes to great lengths to protect musicians, 2d artists have a whole arsenal to pick from regarding rights. When it comes to 3d...I really find it to be lacking. The reason our software exists is that I got tired of 3d artists never getting credit for the work that they do. Many people today still feel that 3d models are not an art form. Even more discouraging are 3d printers printing models and list that they made it. No acknowledgment for the creator. Infact the newest version will have a calling card feature so that the artist or the owner of the piece will be displayed if the object is encrypted. Im looking forward to this in a big way. Its not perfect but I feel its a step in the right direction.

True customers might not feel it is a great thing. But a product is a product. If there was a standard that protected creators and owners of these 3d assets I for one welcome it. Not everyone has to use it but before judging the product I hope that you have the time to try it out. Its easy to use for both parties and its an agreement. I am proud of the work that I do and it is a travesty that 3d objects that require a lot of work and discipline is reduced to copy and paste. 

I agree that this is not the most perfect solution but to have options and until this or something better comes along, I don't think that it should continue in this format. We are a small outfit and I see pirated stuff at major studios and on torrents all day. People work on these things and great assets should be recognized and compensated for.  We are trying our best and will continue to do so. We are excited about our calling card feature that will let anyone trying to open the file the information of the artist to get access to it.

We have a number of people that have been using it with great reviews. Currently we see a future in this and hope we can help people in this craft get the credit they deserve.

I think you have a serious lack of understanding regarding the Commercial 3D Model market, and the purpose it serves.

It is not there to give recognition to anybody.  Think of it like the Commercial Stock Photograph market.

You are selling the models specifically for others to use in their own art, just as stock photography, stock video, and stock web/document templates are sold.  Sometimes 3D Models are distributed with many restrictions on their use, like no Commercial Use or no use at all without giving credit to the 3D Modeler.  BUT - in those cases the models are almost always given away free  (think of places like Sharecg.com).

When actually buying the item, such restrictions invariably must vanish.  The restrictions then become simply to not claim that you did the modeling.

If your ego does not permit you to do that, then you'd be better off not selling 3D Models except in exclusive arrangements to producers in Hollywood or the equivalent.  Then you get your name in fine print amongst the hundreds of other names in a movie's credits.  You can charge a lot more for the model, but you generally can only sell it once and forfeit all rights to use it yourself in the future.  But you get your coveted credit!

The music industry analogy is a bad one because they are protecting the rights laid out in the agreement when purchased.  You are specifically forbidden to use the songs in your own work, even just small samples of them.  3D Models are just the opposite.  You are supposed to use, alter, re-texture, or even maim the original piece for use in your own work.

And as for your request that I try it - never gonna happen!

I refuse to knowingly install spyware on my computer, and as I said before - my best computers absolutely never go online, so that means I may not be able to ever use the items I purchase on my best hardware.  What incentive is there to make a purchase that restricts my use of the product to only crappy and inferior computers?   I have to wonder though, say I decrypt the model and put it in a scene in something like 3D Studio Max or Carrara - what happens if I save the file?  Can I then open it on my good computers?  If so, your encryption is useless.  Same thing if I open it and then export it as an obj, fbx, or other format, from my software. 

And I'm also still curious how you plan on getting this software past firewalls, anti-malware and anti-spyware programs.  Even if I installed it, your software would very likely just get quarantined and blocked by my system.

3D Artists all deserve credit, but the models are all distributed with certain licenses and to think that 3D Modelers deserve more credit than Stock Photographers, or Clip Art Creators, is just egotistical and I doubt you'll meet with much, if any, success in this business model.

Again - all that said - good luck with your project!

@Sockratease I agree 100% on all points.

My brother in-law is a commercial artist, recently, his work for a radio station has been plastered all over buses, billboards and miscellaneous other places. He did the work in 3D, submitted it to his client, got paid and that's the end of it. Nowhere is his name used so nobody knows it's his work unless I tell them.

This "3D Encryption Software" is useless. A good artist does not need it for any reason because the studio or consumer will be happy to pay them for their work, it's up to the artist to negotiate this with the client.

Your right. It is somewhat like stock photography and it isn't. Photos unlike 3d images contain so much more and so much more can be done with them. A picture of a gun does nothing, but a 3d printed gun can.  A 3d hero model asset for a video game can easily be turned into a toy.  Its not a silver bullet and it is really really hard to make something like this.  Currently though, we are making it so that your 3d assets are trackable to a degree and we are getting legal counsel to get the right metrics so that a creator/author of the item will have information that would stand in a court of law. My name is Dosa, and I am a 3d artist, and part of the D3CRYTP3D team.  Ive been in the industry for a hot second and worked as a concept artist and generalist. During my tenure, I would see scores of models used/stolen 3d objects used for various productions. Is it right, probably not...but its also the culture of 3d. 3d takes time to make, its a craft and its probably the most under rated job in the arts field.  It takes time to learn anatomy, to retopo a sculpt, to make hardsurface models that perfect to the curve.  I do think that its important to protect this items and that creators have a leg up on employers who just steal assets online. You can go online and download Transformers models from the movie on some torrent sites. I don't owe Michael Bay or the orginal modeller anything but what happens if you make something and Michael bay uses it. Unfortunately the studios do have lawyers and not everyone is made of Bay money.  The time and location where your 3d objects open up are only privy to the author/owner of the 3d items.  As for spyware, I am not a programmer by trade.  Going into this I discovered that my definition of spyware is eveything that exist on my I phone and every program I own give metrics to a company. It sucks. Its the world we live in. If you have a phone and you are on a computer, someone has metrics on you unless your are super savvy hacker. I can't say that I am but the crew at D3CRYPT3D are vetting every which way to make it very difficult for any hacker to get access to your items. Privacy is something I am pretty big on and I am sure the rest of the crew feels the same way.  If you have any questions or suggestions, hit us up. If you think its a terrible product it might be. Its just that being in the industry, I felt I had to do something.  Its my small f-you to studios and clients that think that 3d artists are to walked all over on. Thats my 2 cents!  Feel free to hit me up anytime kim@d3crypt3d.net. I'm pretty busy but ill do my best to get back to you.

  I like this post:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hgkLyebCtM

  If you're that cute IRL, and you're into training, and mathematical modelling... wow.  Anyway.  If you end up in SoCal, let's go for a run in the hills. 

this whole setup is very off.  chloe the fitness trainer wants to sell me encryption software?  this sounds like the sort of hilariously bad story a nigerian scammer would think up.

Hey everybody,

BIG NEWS!
D3CRYPT3D has been chosen as a finalist for the SXSW 2017 Interactive Innovation Awards! We have been nominated in the category of Privacy & Security.
My name is Chloe. Me and my team came up with D3CRYPT3D in response to the growing issue of artists getting their work pirated after spending countless hours and sweat equity into their work. The beta just launched over a week ago and we have been getting some fabulous responses with regards to improvements, features etc. Here is an updated explanation on how the software works. Please check it out :) 

Also, check out our feature on 3dprint.com and 3ders.org

https://3dprint.com/153731/d3crypted-software-ip-protection/

http://www.3ders.org/articles/20161102-d3crypt3d-launches-accessible-3d-printable-file-encryption-to-fight-3d-asset-theft.html



Why would I want to use D3CRYPT3D?

You spend countless hours on your 3D creations. These files are sought after and worth real money. Your assets by nature need to change hands after they are created. Our New Build is up and wanted to say thanks to all those who have tried it. I will always post up here when there are changes to this program. Hope this helps you out. This is a more comprehensive explanation of how our program works. 

D3CRYPT3D utilizes AES-256 Bit cryptography to fully encrypt the 3D asset itself. During encryption, SHA-2 hashing is utilized to uniquely identify the asset and allow for tracking. Inside the encryption, identifying metrics are stored which allow for full tracking of the asset from the moment it is encrypted. These metrics remain with the .OBJ file after it is unencrypted. The metrics, however, remain in an encrypted form.  

D3CRYPT3D differs from Winzip and 7-zip in several ways:
1. There is no compression algorithm applied
2. The file type remains the same and can be opened in its native application, even in an encrypted state.
3. Asset tracking metrics are embedded in the encryption which allows for tracking throughout the lifecycle of the file.
4. The assets owner is identified by the calling card which gives the artist the ability to promote themselves and control their creations. When someone attempts to open the file, they are directed to the artist to contact them and request the access key.

D3CRYPT3D allows you share your assets with authorized parties and gives you recourse should an asset become pirated or leaked. 

The purpose of the beta is to get feedback on vulnerabilities and suggestions on enhancements and feature additions.

The first iteration of the software we release will initially be able to track down the source of a leak. The leak, however, will not be prevented.

In our second iteration of the software, we plan to integrate with several 3D software programs as a plugin and control permissions on the files from inside the programs. In addition, we will introduce a multilayered encryption which is highly enhanced and requires information from multiple separate cloud-based servers in order to properly unencrypt the file.

Without the plugin, you will not be able to unencrypt the file. After the file is unencrypted, what you can and can’t do with the file will be controlled based on the permissions granted by the owner. 

Down the line, we will introduce an encryption layer which will allow the file to remain in an encrypted state perpetually from the moment it is encrypted. This layer can then be integrated into gaming engines and 3D printers preventing the ripping of meshes from games while the assets are in play and preventing printing of unauthorized objects. If a person attempts to rip an asset, the resulting meshes will be unusable encrypted data.
We realize this is a never-ending battle. Our solutions will be defeated every so often, but our talented programmers will quickly patch the software vulnerabilities further enhancing the product.

Our cloud-based asset tracking and encryption will enable both artists and major corporate 3D asset holders to gain full transparency into the usage, dissemination, and proliferation of their assets in a managed and controlled fashion allowing them to maximize profits and snuff out piracy.

Our team has a deep and thorough knowledge of how data is stored and managed in Windows, Mac, and Pure Linux-based platforms such that we are able to architect systems and file structures in a manner which utilizes every functional aspect of a segment of data stored on a drive regardless of what platform the system is running.
We are not complicit with any government body. We champion protecting our user's data and strive to create an environment where the creator of an asset is in full control of their digital 3D assets.

D3CRYPT3D is by the artist, for the artist, and will always choose the artist first.
We need your support and feedback to help us in the endeavor of protecting 3D assets worldwide. Too much genius work is being stolen and will continue to be without this intellectual property protection. It’s time for D3CRYTP3D to protect our hard earned creations.
D3CRYPT3D. Protecting your ideas one polygon at a time.

FEATURES 
   a.   Strong Multi-Layered Encryption: Protect your valuable 3D assets from piracy
   i.   Prevents unauthorized access to your assets
   ii.   Protects against piracy
   iii.   The file type remains the same and can be opened in its native application, even in an encrypted state.
   iv.   AES-256 Bit Encryption
   b.   Asset Tracking and Control: Know where your assets are and control access to them
   i.   Asset tracking metrics are embedded in the encryption which allows for tracking throughout the lifecycle of the file.
   ii.   Monitor who is accessing your asset
   c.   Calling Card: Sign your 3D creations and drive access requests directly to you.
   i.   Displays your contact information when unauthorized parties attempt to access your file
   ii.   Promotes your work and control your creations

How It Works

1. Download and Install D3CRYPT3D-
Installing D3CRYPT3D is as easy as downloading the app and installing in on your computer. It doesn’t require any configuration or maintenance. The software automatically checks for updates each time you run it ensuring you always have the latest version. 

2. Register-
Once you have installed the software, register using a valid email address and create a password. You are now ready to begin encrypting and tracking your assets!

3.Begin Encrypting Files and Tracking Your Assets-
Encrypting your files is as easy as dragging and dropping them into the D3CRYPT3D application and clicking the encrypt button! You can drag entire folders of files or one file at a time. Once you have encrypted your file, tracking and protection are now enabled.
 
Here is the link to download the software- http://d3crypt3d.net/ (click "TRY D3CRYPT3D NOW" on the home page)

Check out our feature with Stranger Things lead concept artists, Nuttavut- http://d3crypt3d.net/2016/10/11/strangerthingsinterview/
 
Thanks!

Moved to Commercial Corner as this is not Fractal Forum related news.

Have you worked out a way to allow people to use encrypted content with an offline computer?

Until then, this is useless.  And even then, I am still not convinced it will not be quarantined by anti malware and anti spyware programs.

Everything about it is suspicious and should raise alarms by any thinking user and their protection software.

Any form of tracking your customers is inherently evil and I can never bring myself to install it willingly on my system   :police:

Piracy is evil too - but if you want to fight evil with evil you are no better than the evil you are trying to fight, and you may as well elect Donald Trump as your president!

And why did you open another thread when there already was;
http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?topic=24642.msg96537#msg96537

No problem, they can be merged. Right? :P
Edit: Done.


By the way, has someone edited that poll? Or was it like that?

I did not touch it in any way.

Nor I!

If I did I would have added a third option stating that I would use the software for  ...  Nothing at all!  Ever.

What changed?

Nevermind, probably nothing. I must have been tired when I wrote it, or I misread one of the options.

You have no idea how important what you just said. Its true. The 3D file is way more important than any picture or sound. We have started a fire regarding this issue. Definitely keep you posted on the new developments on our software. We have a bunch of lawyers and special interest groups hitting us up, but its important to our team that credit is due where credit is due. Being a modeller myself, we are in essence putting our selves out of business. I am beginning to believe that the system of 3d is set up this way on purpose. Our new beta is coming out 4.01.2017.  Its not an April's fool joke I swear! Not my decision, but if you get a chance, download it and give us some insight. Its not a silver bullet, but hopefully its a start of something that has been long overdue.

@Sockratease

The Start of D3CRYPT3D was the fact that working in the studios just made me realize how the chips are stacked angainst the 3d artist. Is d3crypt3d a silver bullet? No way, not by a long shot. We are basically killing off our own jobs. I won't mention any names, but for large studios and AAA title games, the 3d artist is the lowest on the list. Models are just being aggregated by cg marketplaces and sold. No one knowing where or who made these things. This has been a side project of ours for a full year. SXSW illustrated that its was something that the 3d industry lacked. Ever since we made our debut in Austin, we now are seeing copycats. Its all good, we expected things like this to occur. Currently this is our state of affairs at the moment, this statement was taken from a previous post from another forum cause I am very tired of typing:

  We have 256 bit encryption in the file. The award was for the new version of our software. Its been a year working on this thing and its been brutal , but its going somewhere finally.
Its funny how you can take a pic with you cell phone and get meta data. Yet making anything with 3d gives you nothing. Its also a bit crazy when you think about how lawsuits go down with music. Yet the 3d stuff we make, especially when it comes to mechanical and very technical things is been really hard with the additive manufacturing industries. We are trying to put metrics to 3d models and place them at a point of origin.  

VideoCard Issue: We have some ideals but at this junction we are more concerned about getting metrics into the model and it can be traced back to origin.
3D is the only file that you can't record with any device. You have to have that file. That's where we began our research.  We walked away from SXSW was that lawyers now have some kind of foothold. I don't really understand it but I do love making 3d. This only came about cause , the shit we make takes fluffing hours. Anatomy, Machines, Refraction, Normals, etc etc. Its makes no sense when a bad ass model is just copied and chopped up. Musicians go ape shit over a few bars. Especially when printers are making things without the knowledge of the artists and profiting. I don't know if its gonna be the answer but I think its something that needs to happen.


@3dickulus

 I deem myself as a decent artist. You can see my work at www.goma.pro. Its just not fair on what we have to go through to create what we do.  Its a mystic art to a lot of people and the shit you have to go through to make this. Its not for the weak. We have no legal rep. We by all means are part of the creative force. The fact that we are "digital" artists is not by any means lesser infact I would argue we are a lot more.
3D artists right now are more valuable than any other time. The skills we have are now sought after. Without any metrics, we have no foothold legally. THis is another excerpt from an article I wrote for.... I don't know who but you'll get the picture, the ITC International Trade Commission, can't and will not police 3d files because it cant. That being said... I think its bullshit. Here is the excerpt:

The Federal Circuit has recently made a ruling that could have a significant impact on 3D printing and digital data being transmitted from outside of the US. In the case ClearCorrect Operating LLC v. Intl Trade Comm’n, No. 2014-1527, held on November 10th, 2015, the Federal Circuit ruled that the ITC has no jurisdiction over digital data, including 3D printing files, transmitted into the United States from abroad because they cannot be considered ‘material things.’

U.S.C. section 1337 (a) gives the ITC jurisdiction only over unfair acts involving the importation of ‘articles’—which the Federal Circuit interprets explicitly as ‘material things.’ Thus, the ITC cannot police or control 3D models given that they exist in the digital, rather than the physical realm.

If 3d space has a sense of scale and proportions, it can then be replicated in a physical form to the exact measurements and details from the model itself. An exact replicate of the original. Just as easy as it is to duplicate a model with a simple command, it is currently fair game for foreign industries to print any 3d file,  to create an exact copy, without any fear of punishment. Its not illegal by definition for a foreign company to send a "duplicate" file to an American company to print. Even if the file was from a company who has patented and IP protected the product. Thus the case for ClearCorrect.  From my understanding the ITC, International Trade Commission, has nothing in place to police or control 3d models so its chalked up to it has no jurisdiction about 3D files and where and who are able to print them.