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Hello all, my name is Alex and I am new to the forum.

I have come to this forum in the goal of finding an explication for a fractal that i have discovered while tampering with the windows paint application. What I discovered specifically, is that there is an entirely natural hidden fractal behind the application. This fractal is not generated by a mathematical formula, but is instead, a natural fractal that comes into light whenever a specific drawing pattern is followed within the windows paint application (i will go into the details if i am asked). What i find remarkable from this fractal, is that it seems to portray - through the specific drawing pattern that allows the fractal to be seen - a natural pattern that can be found in nature since it originates from a simplistic formula that reflects the expansion of a single point within a pre-defined space (that is how I have come to understand it since the fractal is generated through the philosophical application of the mathematics behind fractals). What is thus revealed when the formula is applied, is a multi-layered pattern that displays a "perfection" that couldn't be left by chance.

Although it is incomplete, I have attached my most recent fractal that obeys the formula described. If you can open your mind to it, what we can see from this fractal is that there is a multi-layered pattern that seems to reveal a multi-dimensional property of nature.

What do you guys think of the partial fractal?

P.S. I would recommend zooming in and out of the fractal image as each zoom reveals a different aspect of the fractal itself. Also, remember that the fractal is incomplete and that new patterns will emerge when it will be completed.

sounds really intriguing, but to be honest I don't trust a zip file from a stranger.

I understand your reluctance when it comes to opening a zip file on the internet, but i assure you that the file is clean; It's just that the file is bigger than the accepted size limit in the forum when not compressed, so I had to compress it. I wanted to insert the image directly in the message, but i forgot how to when selecting the "insert image" option. Maybee someone can guide me on how to put the image directly on the message?

I suggest converting the image to jpg instead of using zip-compression for a raw image.
Then just use "attach" as you did with the zip file and the image will show.

I converted the image to jpg format and attached it but i got the same message saying that the file is too big.

size limit is 256kb. but as your zip image is just 100kb, this should not be a problem, jpg is better for image compression than zip. try a lower quality setting.

Hello and Welcome to the forums   O0


I was thinking the same thing.

If this is a picture, post it in our gallery!

Your description is hard to understand.  But I don't think anything "natural" can ever come from mspaint!

The fractal generated by the pattern that I followed in ms paint, may not be a reflection of something which is natural in nature, but it sure is a reflection of a pattern found within computers. I won't explain in explicit details why i see the fractal that is generated as a reflection of the nature of computers, but i will only say that the resulting fractal was not foreseen by me when i started applying the process which revealed the fractal. Thus, I say that the fractal is 'natural' because it came about through the simple application of the 'process' that i followed (a process that came about through my intuition about the dynamics of an "explosion") which, when closely analysed - iteration through iteration - closely ressembles the idea that i have of the feedback dynamics that exists between a "center of awareness" and it's surroundings. Also, the fractal revealed itself to me. I did not intend it - it merely showed itself to me. Thus, since it was more of a "discovery" as in the act of uncovering something which is hidden - I believe that it reflect some law that governs nature (as is the case with all fractals by the way).

 

I would suggest to view the fractal through mspaint, as it allows more details than the default picture viewer program found in windows 7/10.

just post a pic and everything is fine.
else I won't bother, and I guess many others won't bother either.

Yes, attachments are not intended for images.

Ever.

Especially hidden in zip files   :police:

I should just delete the attachment because of the suspicions it raises.  Especially from a new member.

Why wont you just post the image in the gallery?  It is where you are supposed to post images and has a much larger file size allowance!

Attachments are mostly for very small things like parameters or low resolution screen shots, or that sort of thing.  They were never intended for images.

(http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah27/Parkinson_Alex/Fractals/Multi-dimentionality_zpsahj8lrno.png) (http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/Parkinson_Alex/media/Fractals/Multi-dimentionality_zpsahj8lrno.png.html)


A peek into the stars!

Unfinished

That seems to be a moiré pattern:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moiré_pattern

But that one seems to be a little more complex than others I have seen.

Edit: I am looking at this from my phone but the effect of the pattern seems to be enhanced by the screen of my phone, depending on the size of the page.

yep, clearly moiré..
it's a result of the limited resolution of your screen. and I agree that it has fractal properties.

It happened with some special settings in ultrafractal too, made a video with it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdDbMnwqr1o

Yep, it may be moiré, but it is fascinating none the less. It provides a way to reveal hidden patterns in invisible layers. And what about those patterns? Even if they come from the interference caused by two lines of different angles, more or less, they still reveal a specific type of order and harmony within the pattern. Where do those specific patterns come from and what do they represent? In the moiré that I created, one can see the multiple depth of each "star like symbol" (especially if the image is viewed through an application that allows deep zoom). If studied closely, logic can be found in the relationship of each "individual patterns" in a moiré such as the one that I created. There is more to a moiré than meets the eye.

I will soon reveal the final "moiré" pattern that i created as i am close to finishing it. I believe that there are many things a moiré can reveal about the fundamentals of nature if studied with an open mind (just like any other fractals).

Edit: I have made many more such "moiré patterns", all of which have different dimensions. What is fascinating is that each moiré exhibit different patterns depending on the dimension (size of the moiré in pixels) that I have made them under. There are definite and unique patterns that are generated depending on the size of the moiré. The moiré pattern that I published in this forum is the most grand in size of those patterns that I have created and took me hours upon hours to complete. I will publish the images of all of the moirés of different sizes that I have created on the forum soon so that you can see all of the different patterns that are generated in moirés of different sizes.

Here are some of the "now known to be moirés", I created.


(http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah27/Parkinson_Alex/Fractals/matrice2_zpsto6knrcj.png) (http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/Parkinson_Alex/media/Fractals/matrice2_zpsto6knrcj.png.html)

(http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah27/Parkinson_Alex/Fractals/matrice4_zpsz6fmrubn.png) (http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/Parkinson_Alex/media/Fractals/matrice4_zpsz6fmrubn.png.html)

(http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah27/Parkinson_Alex/Fractals/matrice6_zpsc8tg3qee.png) (http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/Parkinson_Alex/media/Fractals/matrice6_zpsc8tg3qee.png.html)

(http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah27/Parkinson_Alex/Fractals/matrice5_zpsq1gox50n.png) (http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/Parkinson_Alex/media/Fractals/matrice5_zpsq1gox50n.png.html)

(http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah27/Parkinson_Alex/Fractals/matrice3_zpskr9uihg9.png) (http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/Parkinson_Alex/media/Fractals/matrice3_zpskr9uihg9.png.html)

(http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah27/Parkinson_Alex/Fractals/matrice1_zpsy8avndei.png) (http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/Parkinson_Alex/media/Fractals/matrice1_zpsy8avndei.png.html)

(http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah27/Parkinson_Alex/Fractals/black%20amp%20white%20swirl_zpskqwsteqf.png) (http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/Parkinson_Alex/media/Fractals/black%20amp%20white%20swirl_zpskqwsteqf.png.html)

(http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah27/Parkinson_Alex/Fractals/matrice7_zpsl1obmrbn.png) (http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/Parkinson_Alex/media/Fractals/matrice7_zpsl1obmrbn.png.html)

(http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah27/Parkinson_Alex/Fractals/b6497fd4-5970-4e21-af72-62badb4ce432_zpskqewfesd.png) (http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/Parkinson_Alex/media/Fractals/b6497fd4-5970-4e21-af72-62badb4ce432_zpskqewfesd.png.html)

Interrestingly, the moiré above was made with only 3 different colors, which were red green and blue. The end result seems to have created the additionnal colors of cyan, yellow and pink, but they are only illusions since when zoomed in completely, they revert back to the 3 original colors.

(http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah27/Parkinson_Alex/Fractals/7f5d8d0c-eb3a-4ce1-a14f-9a9cc5a5cf83_zpsaqlucegf.png) (http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/Parkinson_Alex/media/Fractals/7f5d8d0c-eb3a-4ce1-a14f-9a9cc5a5cf83_zpsaqlucegf.png.html)

(https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2KcItUMMK_ibkRxS1N4X2dfY1E/view?usp=sharing)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2KcItUMMK_ibkRxS1N4X2dfY1E/view?usp=sharing

I had to share the link to the last image (the biggest moiré/fractal i've completed), since the file is too large to be pasted here. I would suggest, for those interested in seeing the last moiré in all of it's details, to wait about 15 seconds before zooming into the pattern - it will allow the computer to display all of the different effects that occur when properly zooming into and out of the pattern.

Try and clearly explain the steps you take in paint to create these moire patterns.  No doubt someone here could program the same steps and save you time and allow everyone to understand what you are doing or trying to achieve.

Claims like "I believe that there are many things a moiré can reveal about the fundamentals of nature if studied with an open mind" comes across as a little nuts.  As Carl Sagan said “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

I agree that what I said is pretty outlandish but I wasn't myself when I wrote it... ( I was a bit under the influence to be honest...)

I will say that i have spent many hours making those designs and since I had no idea what they were when i made them, I nurtured the belief that they meant something special. I have made the first of those images through an intuition that I had about the hidden nature of things. It is only now that i discovered that they existed as moiré but through the time I have passed making them, i always held the belief that they ment something special.

I am just trying to place meaning into them - and I guess i am trying to figure out why I had the intuition to draw them in the first place, without any knowledge whatsoever about what the pattern i followed would lead me to create... at the time I first drew them, I had a spiritual awakening and I must have associated those designs with something "as special" as the spiritual awakening I had back then.

Maybee they mean nothing at all. I am just trying to place value into what I have spent many hours uncovering through the pattern that I followed creating them.

Don't get me wrong, it is indeed fascinating and it probably deserves more attention from the fractal point of view.
It's great to hear that these had such an impact on you and led to something good - I too had an epiphany zooming into the mandelbrot-set one could call spiritual awakening, which lead to a serious obsession with fractals and a quest to give meaning to it (check the link in my signature if interested, I guess I'll have to add an article about these in the encyclopedia.. found this interesting paper (http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/gem-projects/maa/0304-2-02-Moire_Patterns_and_Fractals.pdf) on moiré patterns)
Don't feel disencouraged or let meaning be taken away just because others don't recognize the same meaning. Dive deeper and continue to enjoy. I really like the pictures you posted (also the cool effect when scrolling down!)
And it made me a bit more aware of moire patterns happening in real life as well, whenever you move past geometric aligned objects (like garden fences or grids) that have a second layer behind them this results in very similar patterns!
so thanks for sharing, and keep it up!

I have stumbled upon an interesting explanation of the different effects that can be seen in some of the moiré patterns posted above. It comes from a computer programmer who have "accidentally" created a moiré pattern, such as the ones I have created, and who have studied it's properties through the lense of a computer programmer. The read is quite interesting and suggests that there are more to those moiré patterns than meets the eye.

here is the link:
http://nooleanbot.blogspot.ca/2014/02/playing-with-moire-patterns-and-html5.html (http://nooleanbot.blogspot.ca/2014/02/playing-with-moire-patterns-and-html5.html)

Cheers.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2KcItUMMK_iMWJfZTZDNVJxd0k/view (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2KcItUMMK_iMWJfZTZDNVJxd0k/view)

very interesting read! the similarity to magnetic field lines is fascinating.
and your huge moire-image is beautiful - especially when moving/zooming.

thank you for sharing!

timespace is a hidden fractal since it is infinite and the distance serves a function of zoom, and it changes slowly if time changes too until the stars are all switched off 100 or 1000bn years away.

A very similar pattern can be found by using a line drawing program in XOR mode (instead of the lines drawing in black, it flips the pixel colour from white to black, or visa versa). Then you just draw a line from the centre to every pixel on the boundary of a square.