Title: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: valera_rozuvan on July 29, 2016, 03:14:28 AM Movies
I couldn't find a list of all the past (and the current one) records of deep zoom movies of fractals. So I am starting a thread to keep track of this important information! After all, deep zooms in the field of fractals is like Tour de France in the field of cycling :) The fractal world needs to know it's records-men. Forgotten lore 1. [1.0E999] [December 2009] [phaumann] It was low resolution but it was nevertheless by far the deepest at that time. Kalles Fraktaler (http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=profile;u=8851) made a replica of that, thanks to the coordinates given to him by SeryZone (http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=profile;u=9014). Watch the replica Kalles Fraktaler 103 - Mandelbrot Zoom 999 (https://goo.gl/q745Tj). phaumann removed his account and all his movies from youtube, so no access to original. past records 1. [2.1E275] [Jan 26, 2010] [Orson Wang] Deepest Mandelbrot Set Zoom Animation ever - a New Record! 10^275 (2.1E275 or 2^915) (https://goo.gl/pWRchd) 2. [1.0E623] [Feb 1, 2012] [Simon Ferré] 2070 zooms (2^2070 or E623) to get to a mini mandelbrot (https://goo.gl/4JKIhx) 3. [1.0E1006] [Nov 22, 2012] [tthsqe12] Deep Mandelbrot Zoom 10^1006 [720x1280] (https://goo.gl/U2UhNO) 4. [7.359E1100] [Apr 7, 2013] [SeryZone X] Mandelbrot Deepest Zoom Animation new record! 2^3657 or 7.359e1100 (https://goo.gl/tC73dD) 5. [1.0E1500] [May 30, 2013] [Dinkydau00] 2013 Record deepest zoom E1500 or 2^5000 magnification non-trivial location Mandelbrot Set zoom (https://goo.gl/F9IOtF) 6. [1.72E10002] [Jan 20, 2014] [Kalles Fraktaler] Kalles Fraktaler 68 - e10000 (https://goo.gl/4TVA4u) 7. [1.0E10019] [May 9, 2016] [Thurarcier Awespire] The Deepest zoom of 2016. E10019 (https://goo.gl/xXJNru) CURRENT RECORD HOLDER! 8. [1.28E20004] [Nov 24, 2016] [Kalles Fraktaler] Kalles Fraktaler - Final (https://goo.gl/pzvYTB) PS: Obviously, there are lot more deep zooms videos on YouTube. However, I am compiling a list of records by date. I.e. after a specific record is set, only a deeper zoom than the current record will be added to the list. Still images The area of still zooms also deserves attention. I will be compiling a list of records in this category, for now this section is a work in progress. We have the following information: past records 1. [4.2057849597650643003533697421555E2286] [May 5, 2015] [Adam Majewski, a.k.a. DinkydauSet] Glimpse of variety (http://dinkydauset.deviantart.com/art/Glimpse-of-variety-531146796) CURRENT RECORD HOLDER! 2. [2.899E22522] [May 09, 2016] [Kalles Fraktaler] Julia morph e22522 (http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19027) PPS: Will be updating this list, as necessary. Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: Kalles Fraktaler on July 29, 2016, 10:20:45 PM I couldn't find a list of all the past (and the current one) records of deep zoom movies of fractals. So I am starting a thread to keep track of this important information! After all, deep zooms in the field of fractals is like Tour de France in the field of cycling :) The fractal world needs to know it's records-men. Actually there was a deeper zoom made before Orson Wang's zoom, but unfortunately I don't remember the details.past records 1. [2.1E275] [Jan 26, 2010] [Orson Wang] Deepest Mandelbrot Set Zoom Animation ever - a New Record! 10^275 (2.1E275 or 2^915) (https://goo.gl/pWRchd) 2. [1.0E1006] [Nov 22, 2012] [tthsqe12] Deep Mandelbrot Zoom 10^1006 [720x1280] (https://goo.gl/U2UhNO) 3. [7.359E1100] [Apr 7, 2013] [SeryZone X] Mandelbrot Deepest Zoom Animation new record! 2^3657 or 7.359e1100 (https://goo.gl/tC73dD) 4. [1.0E1500] [May 30, 2013] [Dinkydau00] 2013 Record deepest zoom E1500 or 2^5000 magnification non-trivial location Mandelbrot Set zoom (https://goo.gl/F9IOtF) 5. [1.72E10002] [Jan 20, 2014] [Kalles Fraktaler] Kalles Fraktaler 68 - e10000 (https://goo.gl/4TVA4u) CURRENT RECORD HOLDER! 6. [1.0E10019] [May 9, 2016] [Thurarcier Awespire] The Deepest zoom of 2016. E10019 (https://goo.gl/xXJNru) PS: Obviously, there are lot more deep zooms videos on YouTube. However, I am compiling a list of records by date. I.e. after a specific record is set, only a deeper zoom than the current record will be added to the list. ZeryZone wrote something about that on this forum Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: simon.snake on July 30, 2016, 12:27:40 AM This was one of mine, but I cannot tell if it was a record or not. E623 on 1st Feb 2012.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSnvMzteXFY Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: valera_rozuvan on July 30, 2016, 01:17:36 AM This was one of mine, but I cannot tell if it was a record or not. E623 on 1st Feb 2012. Thanks for the information! Added you to the list. Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: Kalles Fraktaler on July 30, 2016, 10:08:27 AM The fractal world needs to know it's records-men. Indeed, I fully agree on that :)Youtube user phaumann made in December 2009 a zoom to at least e999. It was low resolution but it was nevertheless by far the deepest at that time. I made a replica of that, thanks to the coordinates given to me by SeryZone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgKATvV6bkE Unfortunately I think phaumann removed his account and all his movies from youtube... Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: valera_rozuvan on July 30, 2016, 03:23:51 PM Youtube user phaumann made in December 2009 a zoom to at least e999. ... Unfortunately I think phaumann removed his account and all his movies from youtube... How interesting! Did you see the original movie yourself? This means that the earliest two positions in my list - are actually void. phaumann beat them both :) Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: Adam Majewski on July 30, 2016, 04:05:58 PM http://dinkydauset.deviantart.com/art/Glimpse-of-variety-531146796
Can you add to the list : * precision * time of computing ? Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: valera_rozuvan on July 30, 2016, 07:03:08 PM http://dinkydauset.deviantart.com/art/Glimpse-of-variety-531146796 Can you add to the list : * precision * time of computing ? Done. Added a new section - still images. You are the first one there :) I think that any more details, and the post will start to look to crowded. Because I provide links to the works, those who are interested can go for more information to the source. Also, not everyone posts their timings, and/or precision. Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: simon.snake on July 30, 2016, 09:45:10 PM This means that the earliest two positions in my list - are actually void. phaumann beat them both :) If that's true then aw, shucks, I was famous for but a brief (incorrect) moment :-) No, it's right to get the information correct and give credit where credit is due. My attempt was at an easy location (on the zero y axis) but nevertheless, creating it in Fractal eXtreme (at a low resolution I'm sure) was a pretty slow affair. Kalles Fraktaler, Mandel Machine or any other with perturbation would laugh at it these days, and eat it for breakfast. Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: Adam Majewski on July 31, 2016, 09:17:02 AM Done. Added a new section - still images. You are the first one there :) I think that any more details, and the post will start to look to crowded. Because I provide links to the works, those who are interested can go for more information to the source. Also, not everyone posts their timings, and/or precision. What about algorithm ( escape time or DEM or ...) and perturbation ? Adam BTW https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Fractals/Computer_graphic_techniques/2D/plane Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: Kalles Fraktaler on August 02, 2016, 04:40:33 PM Done. Added a new section - still images. You are the first one there :) I think that any more details, and the post will start to look to crowded. Because I provide links to the works, those who are interested can go for more information to the source. Also, not everyone posts their timings, and/or precision. I believe my contribution to this year's contest is the deepest still image:http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19027 2.899E22522 Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: valera_rozuvan on August 02, 2016, 05:20:17 PM I believe my contribution to this year's contest is the deepest still image: http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19027 2.899E22522 Added you to the list. Awesome work! Keep up the deep-fractal-space exploration!!! :) Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: Kalles Fraktaler on November 24, 2016, 09:44:47 PM https://youtu.be/W8jF0yTVCGM
:evil1: Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: TheRedshiftRider on November 24, 2016, 09:52:25 PM Congratulations. :)
Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: hgjf2 on November 26, 2016, 09:58:19 AM This video is world record of zooming classic mandelbrot set.
:worm: :toast: :thumbsup1: :cantor_dance: Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: quaz0r on November 26, 2016, 04:17:52 PM i mean this in the best way possible of course :angel1: but it should be pointed out that it is more than a little silly to be jerkin each other off with this "deepest zoom" stuff all the time. it really is fairly meaningless without any further qualifications like iteration count, zoom speed / frame count, KEYframe count, framerate, resolution, any relevant quality settings like supersampling or other antialiasing techniques, any other computationally heavy rendering fanciness, etc. if you were to actually factor all these things into the equation, the final depth itself loses any real meaning.
Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: Kalles Fraktaler on November 28, 2016, 12:42:35 PM i mean this in the best way possible of course :angel1: but it should be pointed out that it is more than a little silly to be jerkin each other off with this "deepest zoom" stuff all the time. it really is fairly meaningless without any further qualifications like iteration count, zoom speed / frame count, KEYframe count, framerate, resolution, any relevant quality settings like supersampling or other antialiasing techniques, any other computationally heavy rendering fanciness, etc. if you were to actually factor all these things into the equation, the final depth itself loses any real meaning. I mean it in the best way possible of course... but you are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to judge the opinions of others.Why don't you give a thought of what you would need to consider in order to break my e20000 record? You would find out that it is a lot of technical considerations to account for regardless of the parameters you listed, and that would be a lot more fun for you than calling others to be silly jerkers... :( Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: valera_rozuvan on November 28, 2016, 01:47:50 PM Kalles Fraktaler congratulations! You will go down in The Hall of Fractal Fame as a true great individual :)
Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: quaz0r on November 28, 2016, 07:59:45 PM Quote from: kalles you are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to judge the opinions of others. i was not opining. i was observing that to maintain a list of records based on nothing more than final magnification is so lacking as to be virtually meaningless. Quote from: kalles Why don't you give a thought of what you would need to consider in order to break my e20000 record? i am not interested in competing for a spot in anyone's self-congratulatory circlejerk. but you already knew that from previous conversations we've had. :) Quote from: kalles You would find out that it is a lot of technical considerations to account for regardless of the parameters you listed you also already know that i am aware of the "technical considerations" of these things. Quote from: kalles and that would be a lot more fun for you than calling others to be silly jerkers again, although you would never guess this to be the case, nor apparently even believe it when someone explains it to you, the "fun" you derive from congratulating yourself would in fact not necessarily be shared as such by everyone else, were they to engage in similar endeavors. and again, i was observing the fact that, in your own words, the "technical considerations" you guys are factoring into your equation are lacking, in fact missing entirely. and again, this points to the fact that you guys are indeed more interested in declaring yourselves some sort of record holders than you are in the actual technical considerations. it is just a tacky, sophomoric showing is all. i feel embarrassed for you guys every time i see you carry on in this manner. lets try to raise it up a notch. Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: lycium on November 28, 2016, 08:24:36 PM I really wish to see some *high quality* zooms, with top notch antialiasing and motion blur, some HDR palettes that streak nicely in motion, etc. These ultra crunchy video codec-killing zooms are aesthetically really empty for me :/
Surely there's some middle of the road to be had regarding zoom depth and decent image quality... Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: Chillheimer on November 28, 2016, 08:36:17 PM oh quazor..
I suggest if you are not interested in "circlejerks", how about staying out of these threads? Or do you also frequently visit sportbars during let's say a world cup and tell everyone how stupid it is to play these group-circlejerk-games? This behaviour is kind of jerking off too, but with a different fetish.. If you're not into it, ignore it. And by the way, kalle NOwhere mentioned explicitely that it was a new record, nor did he mention the zoom depth anywhere. And he didn't use a record-clickbait-youtube-videotitle like it is common. I credit him for that. And for the insane zoom. Everyone who has spend some time zooming knows what effort this must have been. (though I'd like to hear some specs too, rendertime, max iteration..) Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: PieMan597 on November 28, 2016, 08:46:09 PM Lycium, you mean like this?
https://youtu.be/a26UXXVQAHg (https://youtu.be/a26UXXVQAHg) The mega download is 4k 60fps. Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: Kalles Fraktaler on November 28, 2016, 09:04:49 PM Hahaha :D :D
qaz0r and lycium you are so funny guys because you are serious and your don't have any irony or gleam in the eye. You are so sincerely provoked by this and it is very funny, but also kind of tragic. Why don't you leave the computer and get a life for a while? Thanks PieMan597, that is a lovely render! You render such movie with Kalles Fraktaler is a real reward to me and makes my efforts and engagement in this totally worth it! :wow: :thumbsup1: Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: quaz0r on November 28, 2016, 11:18:14 PM Quote from: chillheimer kalle NOwhere mentioned explicitely that it was a new record, nor did he mention the zoom depth anywhere. And he didn't use a record-clickbait-youtube-videotitle like it is common. I credit him for that. cool. though i was not singling out kalle anyway. this thread was not created by kalle, nor was he the sole participant, nor did i even mention him in my original comment. Quote from: lycium I really wish to see some *high quality* zooms, with top notch antialiasing and motion blur, some HDR palettes that streak nicely in motion, etc. These ultra crunchy video codec-killing zooms are aesthetically really empty for me  indeed, and not just 2D zooms either. the 3D stuff thus far has suffered the same fate of aliasing, lack of detail, and low-quality encoding. Quote from: lycium Surely there's some middle of the road to be had regarding zoom depth and decent image quality... surely indeed. Quote from: pieman Lycium, you mean like this? The mega download is 4k 60fps. i think i saw the youtube version of this before (oh youtube, why must you be so terrible :() but i'll grab the original file from that mega link as i too desire to see more fractal videos with an emphasis on not only render quality but also on encode quality. a friend rendered this video recently, https://filebin.net/m09tt8eohvmcgd5f/A.Zoom.Into.The.Mandelbrot.Set.20161107.1080p60.flac.x264.mkv , adhering to my quality-first principles. 60fps, utilizing 6x supersampling for an original resolution of 11520x6480 with an effective resolution of 1080p. (shameless self-plug, surely kalle will be proud :angel1:) unfortunately these things really do often require some such technique to get a good amount of detail into the end result, otherwise the resolution of the image/video can be largely wasted. though im sure there is some more refined approach(es) than brute-force supersampling which could also result in acceptable quality. one major issue with creating high-quality videos is the question of how best to distribute them. video-sharing sites transcode your encode, making them useless for these purposes. and more general-purpose file-hosting sites range from limited and all-around rather terrible, to entirely useless for hosting large files specifically. bittorrent could potentially work here, though there would need to be a certain degree of interest and participation to really make it work, one which such a small community would fall way short of i think. :sad1: Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: lycium on November 29, 2016, 12:41:49 AM Hahaha :D :D qaz0r and lycium you are so funny guys because you are serious and your don't have any irony or gleam in the eye. You are so sincerely provoked by this and it is very funny, but also kind of tragic. Why don't you leave the computer and get a life for a while? Thankfully I have you to teach me the meaning of irony: sitting on an internet forum obsessing over zoom exponents, and telling people to get a life (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3038174/ironyoverload.jpg) ;D I'm actually pretty happy with my life, thankyouverymuch, and since you immediately get personal when faced with a technical critique, it seems pretty clear who needs to get off the computer for a while... PieMan597, I'll try to check this out now, HQ 4K video is super rare! The last time I tried to download something big from Mega it needed a login, hopefully not the case here. For the Chaotica videos gallery (http://chaoticafractals.com/videos) we have a shared hosting account specially for the videos, after trying Vimeo Pro and all the other options (not good at all), this is what I was stuck with. Edit: I tried downloading the 4K video, but I reached some kind of free download quota. On the other hand, the one posted by quaz0r looks pretty great! More of this, please :) Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: PieMan597 on November 29, 2016, 04:30:11 AM Here's my yt channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/PieMan59x (https://www.youtube.com/user/PieMan59x)
The newer stuff is a least 1080p 60fps, decent quality if you download it. Mega is easy to get an account for, and they don't spam their email. I just use it because it is 50 the of file storage for free. Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: Dinkydau on January 23, 2017, 12:22:46 PM Correction: Adam Majewski is not dinkydauset, but I am.
Given the current records set by Kalles Fraktaler I don't think I will ever break records again. A 4 hour video, that's madness. Please forgive me for not watching it entirely. xD I remember something, though: I promise, I will never torture you with a deeper movie than this :D Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: Kalles Fraktaler on January 23, 2017, 12:51:17 PM Correction: Adam Majewski is not dinkydauset, but I am. Haha you are forgiven, it was not meant to be watched :)Given the current records set by Kalles Fraktaler I don't think I will ever break records again. A 4 hour video, that's madness. Please forgive me for not watching it entirely. xD quaz0r and lycium: (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ed/43/65/ed436519b88bf20f2e622558b605154f.jpg) Kalles Fraktaler: (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Burj_Khalifa.jpg) Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: lycium on January 23, 2017, 01:22:24 PM Seems like a weird analogy to me (do we all have to be fancy big buildings?), but that aside, I wonder if that skyscraper could support itself with lots of random glitches here and there in the structure ;) One way in which the analogy makes sense though, is that there seems to be some kind of *ahem* measuring contest going on over here...
PS. I feel obliged to mention: if you look closely, you'll see there's a "u" in quaz0r's nick. Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: Kalles Fraktaler on January 23, 2017, 02:17:14 PM Seems like a weird analogy to me (do we all have to be fancy big buildings?), but that aside, I wonder if that skyscraper could support itself with lots of random glitches here and there in the structure ;) One way in which the analogy makes sense though, is that there seems to be some kind of *ahem* measuring contest going on over here... Sorry quaz0rPS. I feel obliged to mention: if you look closely, you'll see there's a "u" in quaz0r's nick. And btw, you will find no glithces in my e20000 Movie ;D Or in any of my movies since several years ago Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: PieMan597 on January 23, 2017, 02:37:29 PM I think I have you all beaten:
https://youtu.be/uNEWN8PKAe4 Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: TheRedshiftRider on January 23, 2017, 02:47:38 PM I think I have you all beaten Yep, well done!!!:laugh: Title: Re: History of fractal deep zoom records Post by: hgjf2 on January 28, 2017, 10:25:43 AM I think I have you all beaten: CRASH! This video is too darkhttps://youtu.be/uNEWN8PKAe4 :jam: :sick: |