Title: A Seahorse Odyssey CIX Post by: Pauldelbrot on September 10, 2013, 03:23:04 PM A Seahorse Odyssey CIX
(http://nocache-nocookies.digitalgott.com/gallery/14/511_10_09_13_3_23_04.jpeg) http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14824 It's the octopus doing the twist, again. Title: Re: A Seahorse Odyssey CIX Post by: Nahee_Enterprises on September 11, 2013, 03:49:29 AM A Seahorse Odyssey CIX It's the octopus doing the twist, again. I realize that zooms tend to repeat themselves to some extent as one goes deeper, but was hoping to see a bit more variation in the selected choices for posting. A twisting octopus (again) becomes less interesting unless there is something new involved in the image. :D Title: Re: A Seahorse Odyssey CIX Post by: Pauldelbrot on September 11, 2013, 05:36:27 PM The coloring is quite different ... and the center area looks different from the last one. :)
Title: Re: A Seahorse Odyssey CIX Post by: Kalles Fraktaler on September 11, 2013, 06:24:38 PM I realize that zooms tend to repeat themselves to some extent as one goes deeper, but was hoping to see a bit more variation in the selected choices for posting. A twisting octopus (again) becomes less interesting unless there is something new involved in the image. :D I think you need some knowledge and more patience to appreciate our deep Mandelbrot zooms :DWhat I think you need to know is that one can select paths in the Mandelbrot fractal that gives a almost desired result. We usually center the zoom and then turn away from the center to stretch the shapes. When turned away the pattern repeats until the same shape appears again, now stretched. But it is impossible to know exactly how it turns out, and that is what is fascinating, at least for us enthusiasts ;) For each stretching maneuver, the distance to the next time to stretch is doubled... When turned away from the center, you are usually halfway from a minibrot if you continue zooming in the center. All the shapes you passed so far will repeat, with double intensity, until you reached 1/4 of the distance to the minibrot. Then the shapes will repeat again, now with 4 times intensity, until 1/8 from the minibrot. And so on, when the pattern intensity is reaching infinity the minibrot appears. And that is how the Mandelbrot set works. Pauldebrot's zoom will give more beautiful variations indeed, but there will be a lot of repetition to get there :) Title: Re: A Seahorse Odyssey CIX Post by: Nahee_Enterprises on September 12, 2013, 04:43:50 AM The coloring is quite different ... and the center area looks different from the last one. :) Little differences in a small section in the center, and a change in the color is not really that much of a variation. Like I said, I was hoping to see a bit more in the differences. :D Title: Re: A Seahorse Odyssey CIX Post by: Nahee_Enterprises on September 12, 2013, 05:46:43 AM I think you need some knowledge and more patience to appreciate our deep Mandelbrot zooms :D Apparently a youngster like you does not know as much as you think you do (which is typical of the younger crowd)!!! For one thing, I have more knowledge than you do, because I have lived longer than you, done more, seen more, read more, experienced more, etc... So, Karl Runmo, before you start making judgements about me, maybe you better gather some knowledge of your own, you might actually learn something. :loser: And I have patience!!! That is not the point I was making. I just do not see any reason to show something quite similar to previous posted images by the same individual. A slight change in some small area and a different color is not really showing me anything that new. Maybe it is because I have seen so many fractals over the past several decades. Maybe it is because I have respect for what I know Paul Derbyshire is capable of producing, and expect a bit more from him than just another posted image with little variation from a previous one. What I think you need to know is that one can select paths in the Mandelbrot fractal that gives a almost desired result. We usually center the zoom and then turn away from the center to stretch the shapes. When turned away the pattern repeats until the same shape appears again, now stretched. But it is impossible to know exactly how it turns out, and that is what is fascinating, at least for us enthusiasts ;) For each stretching maneuver, the distance to the next time to stretch is doubled... When turned away from the center, you are usually halfway from a minibrot if you continue zooming in the center. All the shapes you passed so far will repeat, with double intensity, until you reached 1/4 of the distance to the minibrot. Then the shapes will repeat again, now with 4 times intensity, until 1/8 from the minibrot. And so on, when the pattern intensity is reaching infinity the minibrot appears. I already know all of this, I was doing zooms several decades ago. And I have seen thousands of others, if not tens of thousands. I realize that since this seems all new to you, that you think you should go around preaching to others, but there are some of us that have seen so much that we have become bored with such similar images. When you have lived and seen as much as me, then you may have gained enough experience and knowledge to have a decent conversation. Until then, try learning a bit more. :stickingouttongue: And that is how the Mandelbrot set works. Pauldebrot's zoom will give more beautiful variations indeed, but there will be a lot of repetition to get there :) First of all, I know how the "Mandelbrot set works". :D Secondly, I am sure that Paul Derbyshire will produce much more interesting images as time goes by. I have seen his work for many years now, and I have all of his postings to the FractInt Discussion List (http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint) and the Fractal-Art List from back in the 1990's. I was just hoping on a bit more than what was presented in this "variation" image. Title: Re: A Seahorse Odyssey CIX Post by: Kalles Fraktaler on September 12, 2013, 09:51:37 AM Ok, sorry if I offended you. And thanks for calling me young, but I am not :D
Title: Re: A Seahorse Odyssey CIX Post by: Dinkydau on September 12, 2013, 10:30:23 AM I think it would be wise not to mingle me in the discussion about life experience, but I do agree with Nahee enterprises that it's not necessary to render many similar structures with different colors. The compute time could be used to render new things that haven't been seen before. I wouldn't spend so much time on just one location, unless it's for a video.
Title: Re: A Seahorse Odyssey CIX Post by: Nahee_Enterprises on September 18, 2013, 12:55:22 PM I think it would be wise not to mingle me in the discussion about life experience, but I do agree with "Nahee Enterprises" that it's not necessary to render many similar structures with different colors. The compute time could be used to render new things that haven't been seen before. I wouldn't spend so much time on just one location, unless it's for a video. Which is what I was attempting to express. And I am sure we are not the only two to think this way, just the only two to actually have the balls to say it for others to read. :D |