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FRAGMENTARIUM have two big chapters: one at PROGRAMING, one at MULTIPLATFORM. Rather FRAGMENTARIUM was adulating, probabily because contain algoritmic section and complexity using this program.
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Although, FRAGMENTARIUM is strange name else "defragmenter" isn't math term and "Disk defragmenter" is WINDOWS component.

No single program can be called "The Best" - for differing purposes different software is the best for the job.

It's mostly a matter of taste.

Some find UltraFractal to be the best and the range includes those who think Mandelbulb3D, Mandelbulber, FractalExtreme, Mutatorkammer, Chaoscope, Fractal Science Kit, Xenodream, and far too many others to list.

Each has it's supporters and detractors.

What do you mean by "The Best"?

Yes, those programs are fine, I believe that MANDELBULBER is the best program.
I couldn't stand how to repeat the chapter "Fragmentarium" at "Programming" branch and "Multiplatform" branch but those are domains of using.
Now I remember that MANDELBULB occur at "Mandelbulb" branch, and at "The 3D Mandelbulb" branch like a competition. So a program can be describe in many domains.
 :educated: :yes: :ok:

you are right, the structure of the forum has grown somehow, and sometimes i missed something, for fragmentarium i think it was because at first it was a general programming environment, but when it grew more and more comfortable due to the available scripts ands user interface i made a more general section for it .... this might be the reason for the 2 sections, i am afraid i do not know anymore for myself :(

I think fragmentarium  come from  the shader code used is also called a "fragment shader" ;)

sure, since fragmentarium just uses the "fragment" shader, other shaders like "vertex" and "geometry" shaders are intentionally left out, because the idea behind it was to just make rendering of 2d fractals or raymarched 3d fractals as easy as possible

RE: the title of this thread...   imho it is :o  (http://www.fractalforums.com/fragmentarium/cat-mull-rom-spline-paths-cameraparameter-keyframes/)

Now at chapters named "Fragmentarium" it posting many topics as soon as FRAGMENTARIUM would be the best fractal program.
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FRAGMENTARIUM is not so good!
FRAGMENTARIUM need specially GPU else crash.
I downloaded FRAGMENTARIUM, but unfortunethly when I open 3D hyperbollic thesselation space, this on WINDOWS 7 on other PC (that on my computer with internet with WINDOWS XP but old, FRAGMENTARIUM stop working), occur the error "Display driver stopped responding and has recovered" followed that "Fragmentarium.exe has stopped working" and FRAGMENTARIUM crash.

Examples of files:

 :death: :jam:

Heh... windows have a 2s (or something like that) timeout.
If the GPU is spending more than 2s on a loop/instruction/thread/kernel/something locking display for more than 2s it "recover" the driver.
It can be changed/disabled in the registry.
Fragmentarium is good  ;D

linux has about a 6 sec timeout and can be turned off completely, in the xorg.conf "Option Interactive = 0", intended for running with no display, it does work with a display  but can leave the machine hung or cook your GPU if your not careful (GTX 9800 R.I.P.) the timeout is there for a good reason.

but hey if your going to cook a GPU I think Fragmentarium would be the most fun way to do it :)

haha. That is why I like the cheap lower power models. You can run them full throttle for days. At least that has been my experience so far. (fingers crossed)

Well, at least you can set a 30s or 1mn timeout.
When you're doing heavy stuff, 2s is nothing :)

As pointed out above, this is a GPU driver watchdog issue. See the Fragmentarium FAQ for suggestions on how to circumvent htis: http://blog.hvidtfeldts.net/index.php/2011/12/fragmentarium-faq/


Fragmentarium is certainly not the best fractal software wrt rendering quality, usability, or features, but one of the thing I'm very pleased with is actually is the name :-) It is indeed a combination of Fragment Shader and Experimentarium.

Yes that's obvious that fragmentarium come from "fragment" (also known as pixel shader  ::) )

Just to keep the thread active I will say that Fragmentarium IS the best program we have if you want to share your 3D fractal PROGRAMMING knowledge without the constraints of WebGL. Thanks again Syntopia!

Clean up dust from fans on your gfx cards and then run Fragmentarium (or Mandelbulber) without timeouts. I can run my AMD Radeon HD 7850 even 10 hours at full speed (frequency set to maximum) and full load. It heats up to 70 degrees centigrade, but this temperature is not the problem. By the way Fragmentarium is really interesting application for experimenting with any kind of distance estimated objects.

lol, yeah, that was the first thing I did with the GTX9800, it came to me as a freebee from a friend, he told me it kept crashing and was going to toss it out, so I cleaned it up and it worked quite well for a long time, Then the fan died so I hacked in a replacement. One day, after a particularly long crunch it started to smell funny and finally stopped working all together.

No such problems with my new card :)

Of all the proggies I've played with Fragmentarium is the most versatile.

I think Fragmentarium is unmatched from an educational/scientific point of view. I invested not that much time to explore it yet (because I'm more in flames ;-)), but it worked like a charm, just installed it, and I could start to write and understand a simple DE function. Because it is so insanely fast, one can try out thousands things in not much time.

In general, there cant be the "best", but this software is a great tool, thanks for sharing it!

FRAGMENTARIUM the best program for me  :love:

Yet FRACTALFORUMS asserting that FRAGMENTARIUM would be best fractal programs.
FRACTALFORUMS continuing to adulating FRAGMENTARIUM, with two chapters dedicated him "Fractal programs" and "Multiplatform" allthrough
exist a topic against FRAGMENTARIUM named "problemming running FRAGMENTARIUM"
 :crazy: :troll: :peacock: :thumbsup1:

the latest things being done with Fragmentarium are pretty cool...
http://www.fractalforums.com/fragmentarium/hoooooraaaay!/msg86205/#msg86205 (http://www.fractalforums.com/fragmentarium/hoooooraaaay!/msg86205/#msg86205)
http://www.fractalforums.com/movies-showcase-%28rate-my-movie%29/exception-1440194847-t22255/
thanks to Patryk for exploiting some of the power and freedom built into Fragmentarium :beer: the tip of the iceberg imho ;)

Yes!Is obviously, Yet FRACTALFORUMS love very much FRAGMENTARIUM, that every week are used the two branch of two topics
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About "problemming running FRAGMENTARIUM". I founded new bugs at FRAGMENTARIUM: taking new type of fractals, FRAGMENTARIUM may entry in conflict with other programs, not only that FRAGMENTARIUM don't show this fractal or crashing.

give an example or description of the bug and I will try to fix it :) post the frag files and settings that give you a problem :)
some fragments, with hard settings, take all your GPU power to render, if you have a weak GPU it will be very slow, nothing I can do about that :(

the last image I posted in the competition took 6hrs to render, the one before that only took a few minutes
it is very experimental :D find  what works for you ;)

I have version FRAGMENTARIUM WINDOWS BINARY v0.9.12b ".exe" application.
Certain setting there or if  I try to open an example "experimental/knot.frag" or "experimental/tetrahedron-alternative.frag" from the drop-down button "examples"  one example can make programs FS UAE and MOZILLA and MACROMEDIA DREAMWEAVER to closing with error "The .....  was encountered an error (bug) and need to close" with the button down "close program".
I forgot to say that FRAGMENTARIUM when crash and having conflict with other programs, can harm the operating system with the error "display driver stopped responding and has recovered" (display driver intel Graphics Accelerator Drivers for Windows 7(R) stopped responding and has succesfull recovered.), and make FRAGMENTARIUM to close with error "FRAGMENTARIUM CRASH" with two buttons "Debug" and "close" .

I found this error, when I was tried this version of FRAGMENTARIUM for making fractals "still frame - wildstyle" for this current competition.

v0.9.12b ?

everyone is using synthclipse now, http://www.fractalforums.com/fragmentarium/updating-of-de-raytracer/msg93134/#msg93134 , you can direct your bug reports and feature requests to Global Moderator Patryk Kyzny

he can read this topic for to know and to help me to fix this bug. Here describeing exacthly what stop working at version v0.9.12b

look on this page https://www.drivereasy.com/knowledge/fix-display-driver-stopped-responding-and-has-recovered-error/ Solution 3: Increase the GPU Processing Time
and try the latest version of Fragmentarium (1.0.25) I have briefly tested on Win10 and it seems to work fine.
if this doesn't work then I'm sorry  :sad1: but you will have to use a version before v0.9.12b  :'(

Other misfunctionalies of FRAGMENTARIUM was been related by user CRIST-JROGER at his complaint "Periodically I get BSOD 0x00000018 and sometimes rarely 116. I use catalyst 15.7.1, before that I used last Crimson package driver. Can anybody recommend stable driver for win7x64?
I got bsod just when use resource-intensive features (texturing+height mapping), or a lot of details, or increase distance." on his topic

BSOD is one of the most serious error of the programs, when operating system to crash, that it's happening at programs when the programs has viruses.

v0.9.12b  :hmh: "b" is for beta. v1.0.25 is the most recent vers

by virus do you mean bugs? did windows recently update the gfx drivers?

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lolz! ;D

 :siren: indeed BSOD is a very serious problem  :'( ... but I don't have that problem, it seems to run fine on my systems Win 10 and SuSE 13.2, both 64bit cpus with nVidia cards.

criticism is easy, solutions are a bit harder, if anyone can document a problem so that I can reproduce it or show me the code that is causing a problem I would be more than happy to (try to) fix it.

on the other hand, if all I get are demands and/or destructive criticism with unfounded accusations then you are most welcome to fix it yourself as I  have made the source with ALL of my changes, modifications and additions available to anyone that wants it.

please don't blame Fragmentarium for OS issues or inadequate gfx card/drivers, it does require a slightly above average system to run properly.

if you are really concerned about virus' then I encourage all to look at the code and compile it on a clean system before running the executable, which, imho, is the way it should be done anyways.

if you have these problems with v0.9.12 then that version is from before I made any changes and you might want to re-examine your system.

@lycium  :beer: :beer: :beer:

I fragmentarium never causes BSOD.

To get everything working properly, you need a good mix of iron-system program. If the majority of people are still working properly, then the problem is not in the program.
Just silly to adapt to each individual computer.

@SCORPION  :beer: :beer: :beer:

compile your own gets linked to the DLLs for your system is the best way, optimized to your own hardware  instead of mine :dink:

Nope, this is not funny. The fractalforums.com obviously lost their hairy balls. I remember times when users told me "OMG, I fear to register at FF because there are only pro-hardcore-math-freaks, I can not competite with them, they will not even talk to me or let me talk". While this is not really desirable, the current development is also not, in my opinion.

There are people telling bullshit about free software at the level of modern TV shows and FF does what? Not defeating, but tolerating it and creating new funny accounts and posting funny gifs?

Get your balls back, do not tolerate those stupidity! People who do are too dumb to use computers and are insultung others with their half-knowledge should not be tolerated HERE, as this is not a support forum for learning to work with computers or to learn how to animate apes with Powerpoint. It is the place where the Mandelbulb and other stuff was invented.

Just my 2 cents, feel free to ban me as I had an opinion!

Evil greets,
Andreas

I will see your 2 cents and raise you a nickel.

You have a valid point and having an opinion is ok in my books,
hagredfjay  ???  amounts to nonsensical clutter and should be removed.

maybe a questionnaire regarding math background, coding history, field of research, academic pursuits, commercial application, should be reviewed by a random panel of members before granting access to an applicant, say, at least 3 members have to give a thumbs up based on skills or what they can verify that was submitted in the questionnaire.
just a thought... but upon reflection, that sounds somewhat elitist and might be too much work to pull off. :snore:
is there a "code of conduct" document ? does FF need more  :order: :siren: :now: :police:                        ???

it would be nice to see this thread get back to the headline topic  :sad1:

The headline topic was started by hgjf2
See his quoted issues below.






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that would have ruled me out! ;D Maybe that would have been a good thing? :o

now i digress for fun!

Too strict an entrance criteria would have restricted me from enjoying the several role-play characters I am at this site.
Delete my imaginary characters folder and stick with the boring default settings of "mclarekin".

back to serious
One solution is to simply post

"I do not agree, but choose to not debate at this time"

There is now a record in the post that will alert users to the fact that the previous post  cannot be assumed to be correct. Reader beware.

I have read a lot of forums posts, and now have a good idea of the members that post the "right" stuff. (which is most of you)

In my ignorance I have written incorrect assumptions and feel guilty that I have not since  tracked them down and corrected them. So they remain unchallenged and uncorrected. :sad1:
In the end it comes down to how best  use available time,

Register disagreement, then get back to the more important work. That could be the FF way.

@0Encrypted0 yes I've read this thread from the first post and would have to agree with hgjf2, there are bugs, there are problems, there are issues etc... such is the nature of experimental opensource software, so I re-iterate...
...unless the invested party can provide a working solution, then we could use that.

@mclarekin (et al) I too would fall into that category , 'twas more a statement to illustrate the futility rather than a suggested action.

...this (thread) is not "the right stuff", so, back to the more important work...

I do not agree with hgjf2.
My point in quoting the earlier posts was to point out hgjf2's original intent of this topic.
and so on ...

Things are getting away from the main subject of the topic. This is good.

I will split this topic and we can continue on that seperate thread. Just these few posts contain a lot of useful information for the moderators as well.

Conversations stray in real life, so no need to split every topic that diverges!

This is still a tangent from the main topic and not a total divergence.

I'd leave it alone...

Okay.

Ignore my post. Carry on with the discussion.

Well, in that case - we are working on an updated set of "rules" and "posting guidelines" to help contain these sorts of messes!

One topic we are discussing in the moderator's forum is "how to properly make a bug report."

Since this topic is a shining example of how NOT to do so, maybe some folks here have some input for us as to exactly how we should phrase that bit in such a way that threads like this simply never go the way this one has gone.

...so, back to the more important work...

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perhaps refraining from unfounded accusations and sticking to reproducible bugs would be best
those compiling from source should cite the location of said bug, file name + line number
those relying on executables provided by others should list the steps required to reproduce the bug
if a bug exists only when running on one machine it's not necessarily a bug in the program and more likely a misconfiguration or inadequate system
determine if it's a bug or a complaint, bugs get fixed, complaints should get deleted because complaining about free software is inappropriate

just my 2 cents worth :)

There are a couple points there not in our current phrasing!

They will be added.

Thanks for the input.

There is a thread dedicated to this topic here:  http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?topic=24238.0