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i would like to award an annual oscar/nobel prize to the fractal community,

right now it is just an idea, and suggestions are welcome to extend the list, the voting goes until end of january

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perhaps is there anyone who could provide a 3d printable artefact that could be printed on shapeways or somewhere to hand over to the winner ;) a mandelbulb instead of the world like in the world cup soccer trophy, or somethin' alike!

It depends on time extents, yearly, all the time, or from the start of mandelbulb era (it's kind of age of aquarius).

Perhaps alsou Knighty with KIFS.
 http://www.fractalforums.com/ifs-iterated-function-systems/jerusalem-cube-can-be-made-via-kifs/msg55051/ (http://www.fractalforums.com/ifs-iterated-function-systems/jerusalem-cube-can-be-made-via-kifs/msg55051/)

And M Benesi for newest version of old formula revesited. Maybe not the main prise but inclusion as "being oscar nominee is small prise".
http://www.fractalforums.com/theory/an-old-formula-revised/60/ (http://www.fractalforums.com/theory/an-old-formula-revised/60/)

David Makin for 3D mandy fails;)

Without Knighty I am lost! You must add him! :D
Also dainbramage makes very good images... Consider him! :)
But it's weird to make this competition in the 1st place since we help each other. :( To me "win" over Jesse  is pointless, same with other users. We are a community like the MIT hackers :) fighting for fractal freedom!
btw also Sam is a great coder, with a focus on dense fractals. :)

  I wouldn't leave out Knighty.  Came up with some nice code.

  You might need to split into New Formulas, Lighting Implementations, Best Software, etc..

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Everyone in this list is unique and brings his unique skills on the table. This is difficult to choose because, like Luca said, this is a collaborative melting pot approach, not a competition between all these talents.

From my perspective though that would be Jesse, because M3D has now probably become the program I spent the most time with in my entire life. Well, not speaking about my real job (that would be Outlook) and about video games :D

OK; lets talk about it, perhaps we should it do the other way round, because giving prizes to eachothers here is somehow meaningless,
lets change it:

WHO/WHAT EXTERNALLY ( A FIRM; A PERSON; A PROGRAM ) OF FRACTALFORUMS WOULD YOU NOMINATE THE OSCAR?

I Nominate The Universe!

It not only gave us fractals, it appears to embody the notion of Fractally Goodness in all it's aspects.

Without it, I doubt any of us would be here discussing this  :whistle:

ok, you nominate "stephen hawkins" ??? rofl

any realtime fluid solver around !?

We already have annual art contests.  If images qualify anyone for this award, I would suggest that anyone who won one of these contests should be on the list.

Thanks Darkbeam, Alef and Benessi, That's too much honor!  :embarrass:

May I suggest other people:
- Twinbee and Bugman for the mandelbulb.
- Jos Leys for the distance estimation formula for the mandelbulb.

IMHO it should go to those who got the idea of -and developed- formula hybridation. No need to have only one winner (just like Nobel prize).

wow, being considered to be in that list within this people and seeing someone voted for me is more than enough! I honestly think I'm not at the height of the skills and talent of the people you included in the poll, but many thanks for considering me! Christian, maybe you mean that the prize is only for achievements during 2012? I think is the only explanation for other people like Twinbee not being included, right? Also I'm with Luca and bib, it's difficult to choose someone when everybody has it's unique skills and contributions, and is true that most of our works are based on the collaboration and previous works of others in different areas within the community. But giving recognition to people who gave the best contributions during the year is not bad at all, and a nice way of motivating members into doing greater things. Maybe if the recognition is more specific, with different categories, it could be easier to choose someone who stood out in that specific area during the year. Why don't use Johan's concept? "the mathematician, the programmer, and the artist"

In principle I agree with Luca. The big strength of this community is, that it IS a community of many different personalities, that all have the same aim. To bring fractals forwards. Everyone in his own way.
But at the moment I have a clear favorite - Kali. Besides some bad luck in the annual contest he created one of the most popular formulas at the time - amazing surface (basing on tglads great amazing box for sure) and he came up with some great fragmentarium scripts, that moved the possibilities of the naked program in a realy special way.
Like no other Kali combines the mathematical and artistic aspects of fractaling.
 :banana: :rotating: :chilli:

  Thanks Alef-   Wish more people had done stuff with that particular formula, especially since I ported it to Fragmentarium (nice work Mikael) with this in mind. 

Many thanks Torsten, I'm honored. As I always say, none of the things I do could be possible without people like tglad, Sam monnier, syntopia, and others... not to mention Jesse and Luca for the implementation of some of my ideas in m3d.
This year I made some progress with GPU programming, I presented many ideas but I think I couldn't take full advantage of them in my works yet. Also I made public only a few scripts,  I have more awaiting to be polished and some issues to be resolved, I hope next year I'll find the time to do it... I still have a lot to learn and to give, and positive feedback is always a great source of motivation so thank you very much again.

Please add MarkJayBee and bib, from a quality of art produced perspective both should be on the list !!

In this case I would give 2 persons who should get the award:

1. Benoit Mandelbrot
2. Michael Barnsley

And some who I believe should be considered again from an external point of view though some are members, in no particular order and for various reasons:

Jos Leys, Frederik Slijkerman, Garth Thornton, Ron Barnett, J.C.Hart, Przemyslaw Prusinkiewicz, Inigo Quilez

All things considered I'd also suggest Samuel Monnier, Andreas Lober, Klaus-Peter Kubik, Mark Townsend and Scott Draves.
The first three of these may only be known to devotees of Fractint and/or Ultra Fractal - Mark of course created the first versions of Apophysis and Scott Draves is credited with the original flame algorithm (and is the programmer behind the Electric Sheep project).

"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."

How about Gaston Maurice Julia?

If I voted, it would be for Jesse, Kali and Darkbeam.

Unfortunately that would exclude everyone else who made it possible for them to create the tools that I use.

My point of view as an end user. :dink:

yes, i agree to reward the first issue of this prize to mandelbrot or julia both as teams,
something more global out of the forums .... or twinbee/bugman ... or tglad ... or the implementors

but as a starter we could give out this prize to someone ... "virtual" ?

perhaps it makes up for a newsline in a (geek-)newspaper

Instead of an award/reward, how about a literary collaboration extolling the accomplishments of the mathematician, the programmer, and the artist in a historical fashion?
With lots of hyperlinks to relevant examples!

Something that would educate newcomers to the contributions of these people.
An example is Jos Leys for the distance estimation formula.
I did not know about this.
 
Once the collaboration is complete (if ever), it could be recommended reading for new members.

that is a good idea to mix in informative stuff, keep it coming ;)

Maybe we should nominate Dr. Wisenheimer for making fractals more accessible via Chaos TV?

Then I'll name this guy.
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To alll. Don't get over sentimental. IMHO major reason for giving prize would be ta aknowledge and boost all new things to appear. Or maybe publicity. It's what you want to achieve. Publicity or to boost inovations.


Maybe Vladimir Bulatov for, well, maybe he could print something, more like inclusion in list of candidate as a small prise.

If you want outside, and all the times it would be Frederik Slijkerman, but that would be very outside of FF, but without Ultra Fractal this place would be much more quiet. Alsou if outside, IMHO Melinda Green should be noted for buddhabrot algorithm.

But then probably Twinbee should recieve Golden Mandelbulb. He started the search and started 3D era. There were quaternions back in Fractal Explorer (Artur Sirotinsky), but real 3D started with bulb.

I think, voting must include more of mentioned folks and should start from zero.

ok, about the name, intention of "noble or nobel oscar" is to unite those two prizes, but ... it is not apropriate i think, it should rather has something to do with the "holy grail" .... "knight of the grail" or something ....

The forum has four categories- 'Fractal Art', 'Fractal Software', 'Fractal Math Chaos Theory and Research' and 'Real World Examples & Fractical Applications'
You could award a prize for each category, an interview with them that appears at the top of each category for a year.

Noble knight of Holy Graal fractures :D

I would give 1 person who should get the award - Escher.

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any suggestions about "the name" i am thinking of about "fractal grail" ?

 what about "seeker of the holy grail 2013"?

i like the seeker, but would like to ommit "holy" ....;)

no problem - it was just a suggestion.

variations like

• seeker of the grail 2013 or
• seeker of the fractal grail 2013

sound also appealing to me

"seeker of the fractal grail 2013" is sounding good in my eyes ... erh ears :D

and the finder of the fractal grail 2013 is auto-awarded the Nobel prize?

what if two grails are found? "my grail is grailier than yours!"

My pseudo grailic double M formulas are the most grailic 3d z^2 ever in existence.  It's from last year though, and despite being the most awesome attempt at the grail ever, largely unused. 

  Grailic. 

It seems like someone is a bit dissapointed for not being within the poll candidates  ;D

You did a great job, and deserve to be there, but...

Don't take this too seriously  :-*

see it like a cycle race - not the one with the highest speed wins, the one with the best endurance will make it. my suggestion for the title is the seeker not the closest approacher... :dink:
by the way. imho the fractal grail is as non existent as the holy grail...

Existent or not, there are people still seeking for it. Some believe it's hidden in my country, Argentina.
Check out this "foundation":
http://www.delphos.com.ar/content/stu_001.htm
http://www.delphos.com.ar/content/stu_002.htm

I hope to not get as crazy as them looking for the fractal one  :crazyeyes: ;D

Since a 3d Mandelbrot cannot exist (there are no Clifford algebras which are conformal in more than 2d) I don't see why people focus on this 'grail'.
Only a few people here are still attempting to find that particular fractal.

Time for a different quest?? My vote- the quest for the real 3d Von Koch surface

 the reason why i exagerate always about the search is the irony that lies in it, we know that something does not exist, but since it is the ideal, basically what hamilton was searching for, which is what i call the wholy grail, the non whipped cream 3d mandelbrot ... ;)

@kali lol, i had such a big laugh rofl

Becouse there should be some glorious target for inspiration. Something to seek, like what is behind horizont.
Yes, but then it must be formuled more visionary. Maybe 3D barnsley fern?

Fractals are still often seen more as religious misbelief, than serious math. The seach of the grail is just a funny way, to flirt with that stereotype.  :dink:

  My life is over.  ;) 

  In all seriousness, it's not about the poll, it's about the lack of usage and/or knowledge of the greatest 3d M-type formula.  It's not an ego thing- it's a fact thing. The method is leagues ahead of other 3d M-type z^2 attempts- especially given the lack of whipped cream, which would be bad if there were strippers and blow involved.  However, in this case the lack of whipped cream is good. 

Fractal community is a bitt of non-egalitarien, yes.

I was thinking of, if there is no good 3D number system or conformal squaring, 3D fractals IMHO should be mostly based on vector math. Vector algebra have special features and operations, and perfectly fitts in 3D space. Actualy it alredy is so, but it could be much expanded. Throught even wikipedia have not much vector algebra transformations.

Benesi your posts today are hilarious. Thanks for the laughs. rofl2

I've been feeling a bit humorous recently.  Generally try to reign it in a bit, maintain a dignified air, pretend to be more knowledgeable and wise than I actually am.   And sometimes the chaos monkeys run amok.

Without first acknowledging the programmers who gave the artists tools, the prize would be somewhat meaningless. To not acknowledge those who made the artform possible would be criminal. Take them away and it would be like an artist with no paint or brushes. While we concentrate on 3D versions here it would be heresy to ignore UF, Apophysis, FE and many more as possible winners...the users of all the programs (Few would be actually called artists) can show the potential of the code, and then add their own aesthetics, but without the programs, perhaps we'd all be fingerpainting

Áll you programmers,spaghetti-coders,inventors,mathemagician ánd artists are Super Heros to me.

I go with Sockratease , the universe is in this case Nobel self , although it's BANG was a bit BIGGER.

And to David Makin's list I would like to add; 3. Gaston Julia

I expected that admin would give prise to himself ;D But result seems obvious.

IMHO ultimate fractal challenge would be not a grail themself, but an entering pediwikia wikipedia. Beyond mandelbrot set there are articles about burning ship, tricorn, newton, nova, buddhabrot, mandelbulb, mandelbox.