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Title: Approaching the holy grail with a scoring system of the like
Post by: kjknohw on August 16, 2012, 09:27:36 AM
What are the properties of the mandelbrot set?
         Diversity: Each area is different.
                      The mandelbox does pretty well. The mandelbulb and tetrabrot seems better though.
         History: When you find a baby mbrot, you see patterns remiscent of everything you passed earlier.
                      I believe that the mandelbox fails this criteria (are there baby mandelboxes), the mandelbulb and tetrabrot passes.
         Not stretched: Detail is found in all directions
                     The mandelbox is perfect here, but the mandelbulb has whipped cream regions. The tetrabrot has long "tubes".
         Connected (less important in my opinion):
                    The mandelbulb/tetrabrot passes the mandelbox sometimes fails.
There may be no perfect grail because of you-know-what theorem, however, why can't the transformations' non-conformity cancel each other out? Or nearly so; for example, the mandelbar/tricorn has in most places a tolerable distortion.

Can there be a way that a score system be developed and the formula "evolve" better and better? Or could we improve our human-based scoring system by looking more closely at these.


Title: Re: Approaching the holy grail with a scoring system of the like
Post by: Alef on August 26, 2012, 05:09:49 PM
There must be some judging system to recognise HIM.
But mandelbox is not 3D mandelbrot, becouse 3D mandelbrot must be Z squared what are first requirement for 3D mandelbrot. Mandelbox is something another a pattern formula like 2D ducks/ kalisets.


Title: Re: Approaching the holy grail with a scoring system of the like
Post by: kjknohw on August 28, 2012, 04:56:15 AM
I don't think HIM will appear suddenly, it will take time and effort or else it would have been found, a true HIM is noble prize material! However, we could tweak the formula incrementally to get closer.


Title: Re: Approaching the holy grail with a scoring system of the like
Post by: Tglad on August 28, 2012, 10:17:08 AM
Surely there's more variety in Mandelbox than the tetrabrot- https://sites.google.com/site/mandelbox/negative-mandelbox  :D

I've got a pet theory that black holes are the grail, and that, rather than being spherical they are somehow fractal-like with infinite surface area.
That is based on zero knowledge of black holes, just a guess!
i.e. rather than it existing in 3d euclidean space, it exists in the massively warped 4d space-time of general relativity.


Title: Re: Approaching the holy grail with a scoring system of the like
Post by: M Benesi on September 16, 2012, 02:56:12 AM
There are couple z^2 varieties in this thread. (http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?topic=6206.msg51761#msg51761)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UsZSY594LBM/UE2KtG50R6I/AAAAAAAABh0/IdAIBUKpIzg/s400/2nd%2520order%2520stalk.jpg)


Title: Re: Approaching the holy grail with a scoring system of the like
Post by: jehovajah on September 17, 2012, 04:23:51 AM
Nice image Matt. What section of z^2 mandelbulb is this?


Title: Re: Approaching the holy grail with a scoring system of the like
Post by: mfg on September 17, 2012, 06:01:38 AM
When you refer to history, that does not mean that you find small copies of the complete set. Is that right?


Title: Re: Approaching the holy grail with a scoring system of the like
Post by: Alef on September 23, 2012, 06:45:45 PM
Important condition is that "Holly Grail" should be mathematically meaningfull. Mandelbrot set are, it corresponds to bifurcation diagramm of of the logistic map (throught I have no idea what it means). But some of visualy appealing formulas probably just are not very mathematical.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Verhulst-Mandelbrot-Bifurcation.jpg/220px-Verhulst-Mandelbrot-Bifurcation.jpg)

Anyway I had posted about "Arc of Covenant", 3D fractal what would have natural elements such as fern fronds, coral reefs, trees or seashells. Rotbox hybrid seems somewhat like that item.


Title: Re: Approaching the holy grail with a scoring system of the like
Post by: M Benesi on September 29, 2012, 08:32:38 PM
Nice image Matt. What section of z^2 mandelbulb is this?
Hey, missed your reply.  It's the "stalk" section- the part aligned with the negative x-axis.  The thread is over in the Mandelbulb theory section.  Don't want to hijack this thread, but this current formula has certain features that others lack.