Title: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: taurus on August 11, 2012, 08:38:58 AM lately i learned, how to port my mandelbulber rotboxes to m3d. the results of a flat parameter exchange do not lead to exact copies. after testing some, the resuts vary from pretty similar to barely recognizable. the comparisons here will contain the visuals of a flat parameter conversion and an abox platinum tweak, that tries to bring the conversion closer to original. unfortunately the abox platinum formula has no "mandelbulber" button, so this will only be an approximation :dink:
things, that can't be converted:
things, i can't convert yet:
here comes th first. a julia conversion of this one (original: mset zoomed at 1e13) (http://nocache-nocookies.digitalgott.com/gallery/6/thumb_4392_29_04_11_1_23_19.jpeg) even the flat conversion is pretty close to original. images as follows:
(http://bilder.toplist100.org/show-image_org-12081107597238.jpg) last but not least the parameters of the platinum tweak Code: Mandelbulb3Dv18{have fun! Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: DarkBeam on August 11, 2012, 04:44:24 PM Have you tried to change destop? Probably it makes a little difference. :dink: Btw awesome job
Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: taurus on August 12, 2012, 02:47:54 PM Have you tried to change destop? Probably it makes a little difference. i tried and it makes a little difference, but not as desired. :dink: i have annother suspicion related to the mset. my approach to find my snakehead in mset seemed quite promising. i grabbed a point of it in mandelbulber and pasted the coordinates to cutting planes in m3d. at the intersection of theese planes i should find it. i was a bit surprised, that in m3d there is nothing but fresh virtual air... :hmh: there must be some deformation or whatsoever at that deep stages in mset and as the julia-set is directly related to forms here, i guess a 1on1 transfer of julia constants can't lead to identical fractals. so the next step can be, to finetune julia-coords before proceeding. some other candidates, that differ almost beyond recognition support that thesis, but more on this later. mandelbulber intersection mset m3d intersection mset (http://bilder.toplist100.org/show-image_org-12081214467091.jpg) Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: lenord on August 14, 2012, 03:15:24 AM Incredible Crossover piece man, that's definitely the closest thing to your Bulber Rotboxes I've seen out of MB3D. Always loved that Snakehead, Had to have a go at those params myself.
http://len1.deviantart.com/art/Shadow-Lake-for-Taurus66-321002677 Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: taurus on August 14, 2012, 01:21:16 PM thanks len! you did a great piece out there @ da (still got no account there, so i couldnt comment) and annother thanks for the dedication - much appreciated!. most of my rather limited knowledge of m3d i gained while studying your parameters, so i'm glad (and it's just fair), that i could give something in return now.
keep up and have fun! :beer: Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum - a ticket Post by: taurus on August 15, 2012, 08:59:35 PM just a ticket here - didn't invent further
original was this one (http://nocache-nocookies.digitalgott.com/gallery/8/thumb_4392_26_09_11_9_58_17.jpeg) Sea invader http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8715 (http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8715) was a julia from the beginning (constants a bit outside the related mset) and taken with simulated fish eye. shots below in 3point perspective the result is disappointing. :sad1: terribly slow in m3d, not really similar and still coarse quality mandelbulber m3d flat conversion (http://bilder.toplist100.org/show-image_org-12081520281294.jpg) the params for those, who really want to try something Code: Mandelbulb3Dv18{but there is still hope, take a look at my avatar and you see something similar morphing through... Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: Jesse on August 16, 2012, 03:51:44 PM Bulber rotates the Z-axis first, m3d the X-axis!
Did a quick program to convert the angles between both programs, but there seems to be some more differences because of different DE calculations or other things, dunno. Attached the proggy plus params for a more closer approach of your params, still very slow i think? Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: taurus on August 16, 2012, 08:33:32 PM man you're crazy! and you're a genius. dunno how, but it works precisely.
since i am here, i often asked myself, what all my pretty good school grades in math were worth. now i know: nothing! :dink: just a big THANK YOU! the first part of this quest is done! due to your knowledge... Quote Bulber rotates the Z-axis first, m3d the X-axis! i'm still curious: how did you find out? did you call buddhi? or, just examining his sources? not to ask why you took all this effort... i'm still stuck with mandelbulber, cause i got used to almost two years, but i can say, the support of m3d -jesse's and darrkbeam's to be precise - is simply unbeatable! stay tuned, i'll prepare some ;D Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: taurus on August 16, 2012, 10:57:18 PM this was a ticket yesterday, now it's an almost perfect match. thanks jesse!
original was this (mset @ 1e6) (http://nocache-nocookies.digitalgott.com/gallery/7/thumb_4392_16_05_11_10_50_40.jpeg) no platinum guess needed (while i'm still thankful for this all in one formula) still a julia conversion, but i'll try some mset soon didn't take care of exact match, only tried to carry the spirit, that's why i didn't remove colors - they are quite similar here. (http://bilder.toplist100.org/show-image_org-12081622153022.jpg) bulber parameter: Code: Mandelbulber 1.121; mb code: Code: Mandelbulb3Dv18{Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: Jesse on August 17, 2012, 11:55:53 AM i'm still curious: how did you find out? did you call buddhi? or, just examining his sources? Fortunately Krzysztof's sources are much cleaner than mine's, no problem to find the matrix generation. Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: taurus on August 18, 2012, 07:12:49 PM so theese are the real babes, the ones i came for. and - yay - i found out myself how to convert them, with a little help of darkbeam's second formula suggestion at http://www.fractalforums.com/feature-request/color-sliders-on-mandelbulb-3d/msg50878/#msg50878 (http://www.fractalforums.com/feature-request/color-sliders-on-mandelbulb-3d/msg50878/#msg50878). most of my mandelbulbers base on this rotbox mod
will no longer compare dull b/w images here. jesse's conversion tool works so accurate - it's no longer needed... so simply the original: (http://bilder.toplist100.org/show-image_350-12081818115386.jpg) and the conversion: (http://nocache-nocookies.digitalgott.com/gallery/12/thumb_4392_18_08_12_6_54_13.jpeg) (http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12268) (click on image to open full view) and as i'm not afraid of competition - the parameters: mandelbulber: Code: Mandelbulber 1.121; and m3d: Code: Mandelbulb3Dv18{Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: willclark218 on January 27, 2013, 07:01:07 PM you do some absolutely beautiful work Taurus..
Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: quaestor on March 15, 2013, 05:19:55 PM Sorry for resurrecting a dead thread and then threadjacking it, but I'm trying to "port" some Mb Mandelbox parameters over to M3D (using the AmazingBox formula) with no success whatsoever :( . I've tried Jesse's tool, but regardless of how I paste the angles in, I don't get anything like what Mb renders. Is there any general information on how to do this? I'm happy to attach Mb parameter files, if that will help. Part of the problem here is that it's been a looong time since I did these Mb renders, so I don't even remember the details of how to use Mb :(
Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: taurus on March 15, 2013, 05:48:38 PM Is there any general information on how to do this? Normally not. The fractal constant factor can cause some irritations when different than 1, but all the rest is as shown here - no trickery hidden.I'm happy to attach Mb parameter files, if that will help. so I suggest to do itTitle: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: quaestor on March 18, 2013, 05:31:51 PM Thank you for your reply. File is attached.
Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: taurus on March 18, 2013, 11:59:32 PM Ok, I forgot, 'cause I never use it myself.
I don't know a way to convert the different rotations of each folding plane. It's possible, that there is no way. Or is there a m3d crack, that can translate the table below to m3D? Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: neosettler on May 10, 2013, 06:18:12 PM Greetings everyone,
Is there any possible way to do the exact opposite, to get M3D parameters to Mandlebulber that is? Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: taurus on May 10, 2013, 10:39:12 PM Is there any possible way to do the exact opposite, to get M3D parameters to Mandlebulber that is? sure, every parameter, that can be brought from mandelbulber to m3d, can also be converted from m3d to bulber. only requirement - there must be a fitting fractal type on the other side. Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: neosettler on May 10, 2013, 11:35:28 PM Thank you for your optimism Taurus,
If that is the case, lets take a random piece like this one: http://len1.deviantart.com/art/The-Depths-of-Mordor-295346143 Mandelbulb3Dv17{ Y....UW0...33...cD....E...EOAMpFcO.9.nv3u33QY52Epq3jpNjne.gCBmS5uLuvz2TKuAkmae0k ................................E5120sQpI.2........Y./.................../2..88F ..........UL3.../sE1/....6UK/...w8....k0.....QoCUaLWcGmD/.kjZ/3E..Eu072MZh1.aNa7 .VEnAnID/2../2kAnAnAnAbzz...........nAnAnAnAvy9..........sX0.....y1...sD...../.. .w1...kDZILJT7xQnw9xuh2Hgfs7z42ZHbNJA/nje2oGxN0OUw9MohCkZu.AzOq5GLnOXJnDvRpQUGhK mwf5k/IlQPuAzYvMx5GiOvlD.....2oIP1............kD.M....sD.2kz.................... .............A6U.i1...sD....zU/Sv4.ishP.MZri/UTSv4.auhP.sgri/UxSv4EYgkBEQ/....x/ .....MEUZz1.......kz/639GM.V.I5.l....61...EQ....r/.06M/..U.6....4/...Y18...UJIbH tE4RaffWO7JM6G794Wp8GQ2APg9./c..efiu..UPAI91pRxj/YRyz7Vtaz1...........E.8.klLS4. .sM93P58iz9.eLISw7kxz0........../6U0.wzzz1................................./2sU. LVJK..kUxWZS3d1k.QjrUo/xQ.2.gkBj1nW8.HU.t..Svl5..2JHVZY.k.A.CnFsLrv7./kLMlyLn00k 2AEAzn5U/0..X04kgUu8.1E2JuOxI4zD..4icNa9f.A..Mimr0./06..r8lwhXB.gl4P.Qq99j8Q..n7 M.Ep8NBg50UeIG4.I3pxTf7.7b9X.smJrzha.YQiA0.aPRzrO0Emtm6.U.qxTf7.7b9X.QGOrzha.YQi A0UrpxzoH0Emtm6....y3q/.ee0k.1A.IJ3yAT2.wy5y3q/.6x4PZBLGiB3QVBKN0RY9e/rN........ E....E....U.....I....k.....FjFKNX34OZFaQjtKG4BJNs/........................U/4MU/ 4M..0.....UkpX0LD8QszcNaNaNaNawD........kz1........wz........................... .....................................QFqCTzIXbzD........Q.2..................... ....................../..../....1....2IPVdLOiR460x4S.65......................... .Qk0.................6nAnAnAnryDnAnAnAnAFzfNaNaNaNuxz........................... ................................................................................ ................................4....E/...U0....BJaPbJaQn.ERg34.ExqR............ ................4MU/4MU/......../fQc3NvwxzHnAnAnAn...lAnAnAngTzDnAnAnAnoyz1..... ..Qtz.............................Eoz........................................... ...........................................A....I....I....EE0x4SBx4N934Pd/...... ......................k/C..................BnAnAnArwz.................kSM/2..... .....kAnAnAnAvyD................................................................ ........................................................} How would you suggest to proceed to render an image as close as possible to this one into Mandlebulber? Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: taurus on May 11, 2013, 02:01:55 PM Thank you for your optimism Taurus What you call optimistic, might only sound optimistic for the clouless. the parameter you picked, support that - or did you ever see "DodecahedronIFSex" in mandelbulber. additionally hybridization works differently in the two programs, so hybrids normally have no counterpart in the other program. all in all there are some IFSes and the Amazing box left, that can be ported and my previous statement never claimed more. Sorry, for playing a joke on you ;D Title: Re: rotboxes: mandelbulber vs. abox platinum Post by: neosettler on May 12, 2013, 07:23:55 AM All good, I just wanted to make sure it was in fact, not possible... but hey, I'm a dreamer! Somehow, M3D provides a richness in details that, in my opinion, surpasses Mandelbulber but I cant really figure out why. |