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Title: Talis hybridisation
Post by: Alef on February 24, 2012, 04:53:10 PM

Talis don't hybridises so easyly and are pretty chaotic. But since I don't doing like others (many amazing boxes) and as tribute to Fractal Explorer I tried to hybridise it.
Any Menger goes first, then Talis, and additional _Folding1 finally produced good results. Menger sponges seems to somehow boxes talis.

Tweak it if you like, it still is pretty raw.
(http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/a/s/asdam/Talis_antifolded_tubular_bells_3.jpg)
Box of tubular bells

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zzzz.................................2U.8.kzzzD.................................
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E....A....E.....I....Q....EHZtqNZ7LG4B3.rJaQ..............................U/4M.1
Ak.1...............0./........zD........kz1........sz...........................
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.........6....................zj........kz1.............................kz1.....
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................................/....E/...E.....TNoPgFKOiRKA....................
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(http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/a/s/asdam/Talis_menger_3.jpg)
(http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/a/s/asdam/Talis_menger_zoomed4.jpg)
Zoom in Talis pipes
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................................LiwOkrtre.2........Y./..................y.2.....
................/M.0/....6.8/...5/....E2.....kdCWcONkKnD/..........m/dkpXm1....U
z.....kD12../..........wz..................................u1....y1...sD...../..
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..................kz.wzzz1.U..6.P....M4...EB....W....k1....F....8/...I1.....SF52
...U.qFG9yzb2zzzRYoWzz7lz16.mc..zXCc..k18XGQeGyD.sIRhrVAkz1............28.kFrA0.
.Ub96aAIVz9.1se7Umvxz0........../6U0.wzzz1................................E.0c..
zzzz.................................2U.8.kzzzD.................................
/6U0.wzzz1...................................2CcN/UvNP6.eeWCNq0.yRii.EJJUk1f..XR
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40.kz3CcN/UvNP6...EsUa3.eeWCNq0.IJ36wk8.wyLsUa3.................................
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................................................................................
.....................2.....3....6....EJMgZqQI/5S................................
.........6....................zj........kz1.............................kz1.....
........................U.2.....................................................
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(http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/a/s/asdam/tricorn_menger_fold_4.jpg)

Throught i wolud prefare these repeating relict squares. Here is menger4 + tricorn + folded1 hybrid. Zoomed in:
Instead of tricorn can go all mandelbrot type formulas, but folding is nesesary.

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................................ET1o2T8DD/2........Y./..................y.2.....
................/s.0/....6Ey....m/....E2.....k9E18jmc8lD/..........m/dkpXm1....U
z.....kD12../..........wz..................................u1....y1...sD...../..
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zzzz.................................2U.8.kzzzD.................................
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Ak.1...............0./........zD........kz1........sz.........yD................
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...............................E........kz1........wz0..................kz1.....
........................U.2.....................................................
................................/....E/...E.....TNoPgFKOiRKA....................
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p.s.
Maybe some had done this, but maybe not. And maybe it is usefull, maybe not;)

Title: Re: Talis hybridisation
Post by: DarkBeam on February 24, 2012, 04:54:54 PM

Talis is intended to be used alone :)

Title: Re: Talis hybridisation
Post by: Alef on February 24, 2012, 05:28:37 PM

It looks very different from 2D talis. Maybe some coefficients or iteration number, realy hadn't much trayed. Just that crossbreedin is much more fun;)

Title: Re: Talis hybridisation
Post by: DarkBeam on February 25, 2012, 12:26:01 AM

I agree but you intend "duckytalis" probably...
I have copied this from sam.ufm
There are lots of variations, including rain's ducky and more, they are fine in 2d but... 3d is more challenging :)

Title: Re: Talis hybridisation
Post by: Alef on February 28, 2012, 06:01:01 PM

FE talis looks like mandelbrot, so I expected, that in 3D it would look like some 3D mandelbrot;) Anyway, I haven't much used talis 2D formula.

Title: Re: Talis hybridisation
Post by: DarkBeam on March 01, 2012, 06:03:45 PM

Quote from: Asdam on February 28, 2012, 06:01:01 PM

FE talis looks like mandelbrot, so I expected, that in 3D it would look like some 3D mandelbrot;) Anyway, I haven't much used talis 2D formula.

It looks like - only on cut sections too bad.

Here images... Param

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................................MaLq7bq8xz1........A./..................y.2.....
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..................kz.wzzz1.U..6.P....I4...EB....W....k1....1....b....I1.....SF52
...U.qFG9yzb2zzzRYoWzz7lz16.mc..zXCc..k18XGQeGyD/sIRhrVAkz1..........2.28.kFrA0.
.Ub96aAIVz9.1se7Umvxz0........../6U0.wzzz1................................E.0c..
zzzz.................................2U.8.kzzzD.................................
/6U0.wzzz1...................................kzbB.EtLXA.BcVu12..FqvW..e8r5jI.kiv
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J.kZrhPnU0.ybLB.........ee0.....IJ3.....wy5.....................................
E....2....E.....I....U.....JVlKOnF3Qs/kPrJaQ..................................U.
...................wz0........zD..............................zD................
............../E................................................................
........................}

See the I button to see info on formulas, you get:

Code:

Description:

Talis-like 3D set, based on D. White's new "triplex formulas".
The base are the fast non-trig formulas, reported by Bugman's site.
( http://bugman123.com/Hypercomplex/index.html )

This formula comes from Fractal Explorer, and the D.H. Van den Berghe
Ultra Fractal version made in 2010. Added some "extra" parameters.
Too bad, this implementation does not look good in 3D, because Talis
uses a fractional formula. 2D sections at z=0 still show the original fractal.
Maybe, playing with the parameters you can find something interesting?
Tip. Try to make hybrids with Magnet.
This implementation is by Luca GN 2011

// z = ((a1*z^pow + a2*z + a3*c) / (z + p3d) + (1-a3)*pixel
x1=x; y1=y; z1=z;
i=pow-1;
r1 = sqrt(x*x+y*y);
repeat
// raise z to an int power
r2 = sqrt(x1*x1+y1*y1);
z1' = r2 * z - r1 * z1;
z1' *= zmul;
r2 = (1 - z * z1/(r1*r2));
x1' = +(x * x1 - y * y1) * r2;
y1' = -(y * x1 + y1 * x) * r2;
save y1',x1',z1'
i=i-1;
until i>0;
x1 = x1*a1+x*a2+Cx*a3; y1 = y1*a1+y*a2+Cy*a3 ; z1 = z1*a1+z*a2+Cz*a3 ;
// --- divide by z+p3d
x2 = p3dx+x ; y2 = p3dy+y ; z2 = p3dz+z ;
// ---
R = x2*x2 + y2*y2 + z2*z2 ; r1 = sqrt(x1*x1+y1*y1); r2 = sqrt(x2*x2+y2*y2);
z = r2 * z1 - r1 * z2; z = z / R;
z *= zmul;
R = (1 + z1 * z2/(r1*r2)) / R;
x = +(x1 * x2 + y1 * y2) * R;
y = -(x1 * y2 - y1 * x2) * R;

x += Cx*(1-a3); y += Cy*(1-a3) ; z += Cz*(1-a3) ;

Title: Re: Talis hybridisation
Post by: Alef on March 01, 2012, 06:53:25 PM

Talis formula works pretty different from Mandelbrot. Was thinking of a rotated surface quaternion.

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