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wow..looks like fractal clouds are rollin over a beautiful frac landscape...very beautiful

Why you keep on send your images as attachments?

I don't know. The gallery attached to this forum is nearly dead these days. Only Kali, Ross Hilbert, and I seem to post there very often any more and Kali and Hilbert both seem to be doing so less often than they used to.

It was a question for user "thom"

And that the gallery isnt used is just wrong paudel,
i dunno why you think this place is dying and especially you are one ofthe reasons why we really consider three images a week should beenough

and this mesdage goes to user thomz. Since you didnt react on my pms i willremove your right to use attachments completely by today!!!

I agree, the gallery is not dying at all.

The only thing is that since the software update, the most viewed and top rated in the last 30 days have disappeared, that was interesting to show trends. Is it possible to fix that Christian?

I said it's being used less and less frequently, and by fewer and fewer people, and there is evidence to support my claim.

Go to http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;cat=11 and you'll see that mostly it's just me, Kali, and Ross Hilbert, with a smattering of element90 and Ilionstar.

Go to http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;cat=11;sortby=date;orderby=desc;start=200 and you'll see more variety. There's more by element90, and there's Fractal Ken, Jimmie, Power 8, Vega, mauxam, and others.


What? Why? If anything I'm posting less than in the past. But other people are posting even less still, so it looks like I'm posting a lot.


With all due respect, that seems like a bit of an overreaction. Discriminating against specific users with regard to what the forum software will let them do also seems to set a troubling precedent. Attachments, having smaller file size limits than the gallery, aren't a space/bandwidth concern (and hosting elsewhere and linking from here is even less of one). The only thing arguably bothersome about it IMO is the gallery being less varied and less busy if fewer people use it.

Paul, the links you provide are just a sub-gallery. Check this one http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=listall;type=recent

Not at all.

Thom is abusing the privilege.

From the Rules and Guidelines Section of the forum:


Attachments are stored on Fractalforums.com and *Are* a strain on both the database as well as the site's limited hosting capacity.

Gallery images are hosted off-site.

No strain on Fractalforums.com at all.

Then there's the transient nature of attachments.  I believe old attachments get purged periodically, not sure how long they last, but it's not permanent.

As for your comment "Discriminating against specific users with regard to what the forum software will let them do also seems to set a troubling precedent." - Not At All!

We have asked Thom repeatedly to not use attachments for images, and referred him to the post I quoted above.

By ignoring such requests from the Administrator of this forum, he is all but asking to have his ability to post attachments revoked.

While we encourage people to post their Art, we do have Guidelines for so doing, and ignoring those Guidelines is not only a burden to this site, it is rude.

@sock, they are hosted on another server, but they are consuming ff's webspace as well,
the point when using attachments is that it is for no good, not for the user and not for the
viewers, because attachments get lost, because they crumble down the thread view, so
if we offer a comfortable user gallery which proves extra features like voting and commenting
and when in our board rules exactly the point stands that thom is violating here, and thom
is not reacting, and he is the renitent kid that even wanted to get at us because we wanted
him to at least number through his postings, we shall be content ? no, this user is behaving
exactly like described in the section, quote:

"An Attached Image should have a direct relation to the post, and the post should not only read: "My Image Number XXX"
They are useful to underline a statement in the post, or a complex fact."

we had the problem of users naming their images "MyImageXXX" that makes no sense, not for the viewer and for none else,
and when this stupid posting behaviour is not adjusted, after private messaging

i am going to intervene, because this really makes me mad!
all those rules serve a certain goal, and the goal for the forum is to have useful content, and attachments ARE JUST NOT MEANT AS GALLERY,
that was the reason why we put up a gallery ...

and i will now go and remove the right from thomz, he might contact me in private mail and complain about it, but it wont change anything ...

I saw a question asking why he was using attachments to post images, which isn't quite the same thing as telling him not to. And this is the first I've seen anyone referred to that section of the guidelines.


I didn't interpret a question from DarkBeam (who isn't, to my knowledge, a sockpuppet of the administrator) asking why he was using attachments as a request from the administrator not to. The first such request I saw was the one posted around 5 am today that I thought might be an overreaction. If there were any earlier ones, this fact was not apparent to me.


I know; and it is that sub-gallery that I said seems to be dying.

OK. No big deal as long as the other sub-galleries are doing well. At least this particular thread is not dying :D:D

i have contacted the guy via private messages on saturday, you where in the cc bib ... no response!

regards
ck

Well, it kind of is. This one is supposed to be the "images showcase", after all. Why should it be getting less and less attention unless there's a wider problem? Furthermore, as is evident from earlier in this thread, the decamping of most of the former regular posters to this gallery is causing the three of us that are still posting to it routinely to appear, at first glance, to be hogging it or something, and that's causing Trifox to contemplate limiting everyone to three new images a week. I'd rather than didn't happen and probably so would many other people.

So ... what is going on?

I don't see what problem you're talking about honestly. FF has never been doing so well in terms of pageviews, we welcome tens of new members each week, and the galleries are richer than ever. Long life fractalforums!!

Did you look at the two links I posted last night?

Do you mean the links to the FractalArt sub-gallery? there is no particular reason they should be more active than the other. I only look at the most recent.

What I don't see is a reason it should be getting less active, and with less variety of people posting to it. A trend I think is troubling. Is there somewhere else everyone else now posts their images instead, or what?


???

What? Are only 3 images a week allowed here? I hope the time I've been away still counts then.

Not so far as I am aware -- at least, not yet. But it seems Trifox was/is contemplating it for some reason ...

I think there is an existing limit, something like two or three posts per person per day, for gallery uploads, but that's not particularly stringent. Reducing it to 1/7 that would be, though, IMO.

we do not know how to deal with it, we have the standard gallery group that needs approving for the images,
and then users can upon personal request awarded to the auto-approve gallery member group, there is no hard
limit by the gallery, it is all done by hand, the gallery has just been updated, but i miss the feature to set the uploading
limits, you know ... this site is growing too fast, and i am scared of everything i am not in control, and uploading
large amounts of images still is a pain in my head, because just 2 gig are left for storing the images ...

i am a bit overreacting nowadays, mostly because i can not keep track of every discussion here, and last week
happened things that i havent known about, they where settled in the admin section, but it is not a good feeling
to see gliding it all out of my hands ... so i have to rely on trusting the members of the forum to not abuse it in any
way ... abusing means, advertising, porn posting, massive image posting, images as attachments posting and stuff like
that.... you know, there is no one paid for controlling this, it is all done in the spare time of the members, and with
the growing user base the administrative part is getting bigger and bigger, we have nearly everyday something new
someone is complaining about ....
 :(

Maybe you need more moderators on the mod team?

I have to wonder where all of this activity is, when the images showcase forum and images showcase gallery seem to be contracting in terms of activity level...

i dont know why you just measure activity on gallery activity, activity in the forums is overall posting count, and i have 2 pages of new posts every day....

The gallery's more what I'm interested in.

So, are you saying the activity is moving away from sharing images and towards more discussion?

This has always been primarily a discussion forum.

Image hosting was not a part of it's original intent.  It crept in later.  The focus has always been on discussion more than images.

So, it started, peaked, then began to decline?

i do not get it at all, the gallery is active and more active like ever, have you seen this ?
http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=10315

I think Pauldelbrot is right and that this conversation does not make sense.

So, almost everyone's now posting to their individual user galleries instead of to this forum? Why?

Sensitivity to initial parameters?

Bailout conditions?

Perhaps it's just the nature of Fractals to exert Chaos on any forum devoted to them?

Have you asked the people doing so?  That's the only way to be sure!

Feel free to start a discussion in the Discuss FractalForums section if you like   O0

To me the general shared gallery is just for those who aren't really bothered about having their own gallery e.g. they seldom post images etc.  so I've always posted in my own rather than the default.

That sort of splinters things, though, doesn't it? It doesn't generate posts here and anyone checking the Images Showcase gallery won't see them. Do they get much attention if posted elsewhere?

I post in my own galleries, and get a lot of views (sometimes ;) )
I guess there are many like me who click on the "GALLERY" button in the bar beneath the fractalforums banner and find (all?) images posted to the galleries that way.

I just post to match the way I browse myself and I just go through all recent images since I was last here so I see all work uploaded to galleries here.

I can understand that this forum may have limited capacity for storing and sending images, not being a commercial campany but simply a place to discuss fractals can. That make it difficult to anticipate on unexpected succes with new hardware. It would be a shame if some pictures could not be posted anymore because of this. There are enough alternatives to host images. Deviantart would probably be the best option allowing 80 MB per image and apart from that it's a nice site with friendly people. (I assume there is not limit on posting images hosted there.) Still, the best option for the site would be to upgrade the hardware. Limits are always a con.