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(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/smallwow.png)

Bigger ; http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/wow.png

I just plugged this image from Chaoscope into Mutatorkammer and got a bunch of Wonderful results!

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/again3.png)

Bigger; http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/again3-1.jpg


Here's another:


(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/tile2-2sm.png)

Bigger; http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/tile2-2.png

And One More!


(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/squaremandala2.png)

Bigger:
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/squaremandala.png

By using images and vector analysis it appears Mutatorkamme can do justice to images made in Any fractal Generator!

Versatile Program.

I look forward to the next release!

I cleaned up "Tile2" above (if you saw it before, look again!).

AND here's a couple more!


(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/chaos2sm.png)

Bigger;  http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/chaos2.png


(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/chaos3bsm.png)

Bigger;  http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/chaos3b.png



These images tile very nicely too!



(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/chaos3tiled-sm.png)

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/chaos3tiled.png


Fun Stuff for the Holidaze!

oh great, i think there must be a button for choosing the image used by the formula ;)

could you describe which images are from mutatorkammer, and which are chaoscope unmodified images?

Christian Kleinhuis (Trifox) wrote:
>
>    could you describe which images are from mutatorkammer,
>    and which are chaoscope unmodified images?

It appears that only one of the above images is from Chaoscope, and all of the others are from your program.

And it does seem that the use of Chaoscope images with Mutatorkammer is a great combination, based upon the results displayed here!!  Great work Sockratease!!    :-) 

The image selection button was going to be in my list of suggestions for your next upgrade!

Mr. Nahee was correct in that only the one image  (2nd one posted in thread) is from Chaoscope.

I want to try fractal images from other programs...  just to see what happens.

But the way chaoscope leaves "negative space" seems to be important.

When I was working on those images with the Gorgeous Woman, like this one:

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/inf162b.jpg)

Bigger: http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/inf162.jpg


*sigh*

Umm  where was I??

Oh yes...

If the image had a background, it got messy very easily.  Plain backgrounds help.

I'll post a more complete review of the program with a list of questions and suggestions soon!

Here's one more Chaoscope image from Mutatorkammer (same source image)



(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/chaos1sm.png)

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/chaos1.png


Have a Safe and Happy New Year's!

Peace(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/peace.gif)

ah, that is pretty nice to see that ;D :P


small hint on using images:

make them tileable before inserting it into the program, image borders look bad.
in your case the black background is tileable ;)

and i like these 2 images most
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/tile2-2.png
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/chaos2.png

the image import function will be reworked now, it will be also possible to use
formula images as image source, so that the scaling effects are not so disturbing, formula import from
other programs will only be possible if the program offers a c++ library for rendering a formula file...

happy new year

Its a great meeting - I really like it !  :)
Margit

Thanks Margit!

Here's some more:

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/newmut1.jpg)




(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/newmut2a.jpg)




(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/newmut3.jpg)




Great Fun!


Oh yeah...

They all came from this Chaoscope image:

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/newfixed.jpg)

Woodja Believe ...


Mutator Mouse!

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/mickey.jpg)
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/mickey.jpg

I just made Mickey Mouse in Mutatorkammer!!

I used this image from chaoscope:


(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/bluedala100b.jpg)
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/bluedala100b.jpg

And I got that image from Mutatorkammer:

It looks Startlingly like Mickey Mouse to me!!

What do you think?

lol, this one really looks like 2 Mickey Mouses, and you needed this as image input, very interresting results, quite funny !

 the colors of the image do not match the colors of the mickey mouse, very interresting result for this input image ;)

Sockratease wrote:
>
>    Mutator Mouse!  I just made Mickey Mouse in Mutatorkammer!!
>    It looks Startlingly like Mickey Mouse to me!!
>    What do you think?

Either that or a very strange Teddy Bear.    ;)

Definitely an interesting output based upon the image used as input.

And for this morning...

I took this Chaoscope Image:

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/greenspade2.jpg)


and Mutatorkammer made a nifty avatar sized animation. Some frames reminds of The Gillman!  (Creature From The Black Lagoon)

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/gillmanb600.gif)


Actually, I rendered it big, but it was a HUGE file!! 

Got to get the file size down some more and make it usable!

This program is becoming a favorite!

hey, i am so glad you say that, i am right now working on a nice threaded rendering, so that it does not block
your whole system while rendering, beside of that i am going to localize the image settings,
size/oversampling/palette and stuff like that, i am right now quite happy with the different fractal types i build in

btw. the animation really looks like some strange alien grinning at me  8)

and have you yet tried out to import an animation sequence ?

and what do you think about the interface at all ?

i think you want to have some kind of undo button, to not loose previous mutations,
what about the interactive parameters editor ? they need some kind of rework, i know
tell me how it works out for you, how does the program behave if you really want to achieve
something, you try out until it fits your needs? do you use the treeview formula editor ?

questions over questions, i am trying to develop this program further and make it quite
useable....

Wow!  Questions.
OK...


Yes, but i only seem to get the first frame appearing in the library!

How does that work?

I assumed it was still in progress.


I mentioned in another post that I like the interface very much!  A few suggestions would be things like  a color pallette editor in which I can continue to play with the polygons as shown, but actively change the colors involved or some sort of means of identifying more readily which of the shown "circles" modify what aspect of the image.

I think the options to show and hide various windows via buttons is a welcome addition. 

An idea for improvement might be to make interaction in the breed window changed to a double click so I don't accidentally single click in there and ruin a project (again).


YES!  UNDO BUTTON!!

And as mentioned above, just having a clue which ones will effect what aspects will help.  Perhaps color code the backgrounds of the circle?


This is where your program really shines!

I LOVE fractal generators where I can "sculpt" the image in real time.

Chasocope and yours both have  interfaces that allow for such artistry.

I admit I have been working mostly with images on your program (but really do have some fractal stuff to show soon!) but to answer your question with images, lets talk about Smilies!

This is exactly the result I wanted when I plugged a normal smilie face into Mutatorkammer:

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/ms6.jpg)

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/ms7.jpg)

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/ms4.jpg)

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/msx2.jpg)

And, of course, a Smilie Dive!

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/infsmiley2b.gif)

Bigger and more colorful:
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/infsmiley2.gif



Oh yes... tree formula editor.  Not Yet!

Soon...

 first of all, i need an international good name for the program

Mutatorkammer is a bit annoying and reminds to much to bad german history :P

any sugestions are welcome!


it works by simply selecting a numbered image from a sequence, after that, when moving the timeline
slider, it will also import a new image, it is indeed work in progress, but should work, the animation gets repeated if
the frames do not match the length of your animation




yes, the one click breed function is quite disturbing sometimes, but a double click opens the formula in the detail
window, i think i need more options ... i think i will do a context menu,

THE VERSION 0.63 HAS A DIRECT VISUALISATION OF PALETTE CHANGES !

doubleclick - breed
right mouse - context menu ( zoom in / zoom out / single edit)


undo button and history will come !
 
and, the thing to give more sense to the parameters is quite an effort ;)
one point about the program is that there is no exactly defined parameter

 i am thinking about it a lot, 

but this will take some time, but i am thinking of a description of each function's parameters that will be displayed
there, so,for example the add function

ADD(par1,par2) - could have some ADDANT1 ADDANT2 help string, which will then be displayed beneath the
parameter it belongs to, this will come when i implemented the overal function editor, to assign different
propabilities to the functions !

or the APFEL(par1,par2,par3) will become reminders
par1=Initial Z Value
par2=Seed
par3=exponent

but if the functions get longer and deeper, it would still be a problem to figure out what parameter
actually changes what, try and error will remain inside the programm anyway ;( :(

keep on playing ;)
greets
ck

International understandable - that means english, right? Here are some thoughts:

substitutor
defector
vantage points
rearrangor
relocator
fractal shifter
displacement
squish (<- that's the name of a baby toy that can be pressed and twirled and bended in all 3 axes).

or in combination with "mutate"/"mutator".

Christian Kleinhuis (Trifox) wrote:
>
>    first of all, i need an international good name for the program
>    Mutatorkammer is a bit annoying and reminds to much to bad german history  :P
>    any sugestions are welcome!

Well, may I suggest you get away from the "Mutator" portion of the name, and replace it with "Fractal".  And if I remember my German from back in my old school days, "kammer" means something like "chamber", which would not be that bad of a choice to use in your applications name:

      Fractal-Chamber

It would basically imply a place (a compartment or enclosed space) where fractals are held in readiness to be used upon a moments notice by the individual running your program.    :-)

I like The above suggested name, but have no problem with the original!

I thought of "Mutatorkammer" as meaning "Mutation Camera" because I use it with images so much (even though I knew better)!

I've been home repairing again...  Bought a crappy house and keep getting storm damage!

I finally made some play time, and this happened:

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/bluedalaman.jpg)


A silly Grinning "BluedalaMan" with Sun Glasses!

I have some animations to upload somewhere too...

Soon.

Time is Very Hard for me to get these days...

Peace.(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/peace.gif)

I think Trifox will appreciate this one.  He may have started the "guys wearing sunglasses" subgenre of fractal art (along with the Paris Hilton subgenre).

lol, i appreciate anything done with my programs ;)

btw. MutatorKammer - means in english MutationChamber

i liked the word, because i am the founder of it -  as google search had no results half a year ago :D

On February 14, 2007 at 08:30:27, Christian Kleinhuis (Trifox) wrote:
>
>    first of all, i need an international good name for the program
>    Mutatorkammer is a bit annoying and reminds to much to bad german history   :P
>    any sugestions are welcome!

On March 22, 2007 at 02:18:59, Christian Kleinhuis (Trifox) wrote:
>
>    btw.  MutatorKammer - means in english MutationChamber
>    i liked the word, because i am the founder of it -  as google search had no results half a year ago  :D

O.K.   You like the word, but find it annoying.  You found no other word like it being used in a Google search, but need something more International sounding as a "good name" for the program.

You appear to be conflicted on whether you wish to keep the original name or go with something different.  Are these just mood swings at the time you made your postings, or are you really considering something else as a name??     ;)

Either way, I still like what the program is doing, and all of the enhancements you have been making over the past few months.   :)
 

must sound a little weirdo  8)

actually i was really thinking about another name, but since i have a faible(phatfractal) for strange names... it will stay


thank you, next step is to take more control over fractal properties like  iterations and coloring methods and belonging parameters,
 i actually have a decent method in my mind, which needs to be
implemented, and from now on, i will include more useability features like a history and undo functions ;)

OK...

I spent a couple days with an animation program I found on a laptop I bought as a used computer (specifically because it had a lot of nice software on it!).

Ummm...

You know I like nailing LOTS of programs together...

I used that last Chaoscope / Mutatatorkammer image...

And that animation program...


Well...

Here:

(http://liveu-13.vo.llnwd.net/vidilife/image/2006/2/13/357060/1235813s.gif)

Bigger (but not much bigger!) :
http://liveu-11.vo.llnwd.net/vidilife/image/2006/2/13/357060/1235811L.gif (http://liveu-11.vo.llnwd.net/vidilife/image/2006/2/13/357060/1235811L.gif)

Not bad for a first try!

So...

At what point does this cease to be fractal art?

I mean...

It's Art done with a Fractal...

Just ...

Ummm...


Well...

It was Fun!!!

That should be all that counts.

I believe the current term on the Internet for combining a lot of things together like that is called "mash-up".    ;)


I guess you have missed out on the discussion on a particular blog which I mentioned a couple of weeks ago at:
   http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?topic=686.0 (http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?topic=686.0)

On the contrary!

It was that discussion which prompted the question!

I say it is easier to define "Fractal" than "Fractal Art" - and for Good Reason!  But even "Fractal" does not have a Universally Agreed Upon definition!

I mean...  Color Maps.

When does use of a color map make a fractal become something other than Fractal Art?

Example - The Above!!

I say Mutatorkammer is using a Photograph as an RGB Color Map.  Therefore EVERYTHING it does with pictures IS Fractal Art!!  Unless we choose to limit the kinds of color maps which are acceptable.

Others would Vehemently Disagree.

They are free to do so - as long as they don't try to tell me what to believe, do, or post.

And so long as they don't try to define such things as "Fractal Art" which MUST remain Undefined if the medium is to flourish!!

Ask a Painter to define "Art" and they will laugh at you!  Ask a Fractal Artist to define "Fractal Art" and suddenly they have an answer!  Not just AN answer...  but THE Answer.

I find it Highly Amusing!

Silly People.

Next thing you know, they'll want a definition for Dividing by Zero!

Oh...  By the way...


Umm...

I gave it EYES!!

(http://liveu-14.vo.llnwd.net/vidilife/image/2006/2/13/357060/1236114L.gif)

Bigger: http://liveu-15.vo.llnwd.net/vidilife/image/2006/2/13/357060/1236115L.gif (http://liveu-15.vo.llnwd.net/vidilife/image/2006/2/13/357060/1236115L.gif)


And altered the animation a bit.

I wonder if I could do a Full Fractal Figure??

Maybe some day...

There will always be some group attempting to define and control the area of "Fractal Art" for their own purposes.  It usually is to promote their own agendas or for pure profit or both.  But watch out, they are becoming a lot trickier in how they go about it.    :P


I have been around long enough to know a few things fairly well, but one thing I know for sure, and that is to never try to define what is "art".

But I do enjoy watching those "Silly People" when they get into their perpetual discussions on what is "art".    ;)   :D   ;D

i don't think there is ANYTHING universally agreed upon... however, the word fractal has a really clear definition which only fools would refute.

"a rough or fragmented geometric shape that can be subdivided in parts, each of which is (at least approximately) a reduced-size copy of the whole" (emphasis mine)

the reason behind the emphasis is because that is both a necessary and sufficient condition; self-similarity is the core of what fractals are about.




some dude froze a cow, chopped it in half, put it on display and it was hailed as high art. in light of this, i have no idea what art is (to most people).

what i can say is that colour maps do not fractal art make... (in fact i really dislike colourmaps, they are a very one-dimensional way of colouring an otherwise colourless image - i like to make my images with colour directly, colourmaps are a bit of an afterthought dating back to when we all had only 256 colours in a palette; i miss those days but we can do better now)


again, it's got a lot more to do with the definition of what a fractal is than the colour map.

actually, just because an image was made by a program calling itself a fractal generator doesn't necessarily mean it truly is fractal in nature. a new friend of mine from deviantart has recently begun experimenting with apophysis, and her first "fractal" isn't really fractal: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/59920774/

what i'm getting at here is that a image's "fractalness" should be judged directly, not which program(s) were used to make it. mutatorkammer is at its core an expression evaluator, which is engineered to be able to make many self-similar patterns, much like apophysis, but also like apophysis they are so powerful and general as to potentially create some non-fractal images.


easy now tiger, this is fractal forums and not orbit trap ;)