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« Reply #315 on: December 10, 2012, 05:40:23 PM »

Do power 3 mandelbrot have something simmilar? I hadn't seem some good zooms of power 3 mbrot with named valleys, structures and so on. But are there something simmilar in power 3 mandelbrot?

In higher powers features seems to dissapear, but in power 3 in deeper zooms there could be some interesting structures with different simmetries than these.
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« Reply #316 on: December 11, 2012, 09:21:36 PM »

In theory, all the higher power Mandelbrots have something similar, though the symmetry doublings (2-fold, 4-fold, etc.) become triplings, quadruplings, etc.

They're also slower to compute, though, especially at arbitrary precision due to the additional multiplies each iteration.

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« Reply #317 on: December 14, 2012, 04:11:19 PM »

For some reason in mandelbrot sets with a power higher than 2, when zooming, minibrots approach much quicker and the details are much more stacked together around the minibrots. The mandelbrot set with power 2 allows for much longer zooms before reaching a minibrot. You can go much further into the middle of something with new overwhelming details appearing all the time, without having to change direction, which makes it the most suitable for zooms in my opinion. It make some kind of build-up chaoticness that becomes more extreme over time. You can see how slowly the details show up with a power of 50 in this video. Minibrots are constantly visible. Compare this the zoomin into the antenne of the power 2 mandelbrot set.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/c_Xsd7jTQcg&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/c_Xsd7jTQcg&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
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« Reply #318 on: December 14, 2012, 07:11:16 PM »

For some reason in mandelbrot sets with a power higher than 2, when zooming, minibrots approach much quicker and the details are much more stacked together around the minibrots.

The detail level in the M-sets grows by an exponential recursion model whose parameters involve the magnification of the last detour and the exponent of the system. Fractal eXtreme's methods simplify the math, so I'll use its terminologies.


In this model:

mag := the magnification of the last detour (specifically when the last detour moves into the center of a first-order Julia) := -log[2](width of the Julia)
exp := the exponent of the system
n := period doubling

The second-order Julia -- the "peanut" if you will -- will always be found at:
mag[2nd]=mag+(1/exp)*mag -- if you zoom into a first-order Julia at 200 "zooms" in the original Mandelbrot, you will find it's "peanut" at 300 "zooms". -- mag[2nd] = 200+(1/2)*200 = 200+100 = 300.
Each successive period doubling would be found at zooms that are calculable by the formula:
mag[1] = user-defined
mag[n] = mag[n-1] + (1/exp^n)*mag[1]

The terms in this model, of course, grow asymptotically not exponentially. In the original Mandelbrot, the terms will begin converging on the value 2*mag[1] which is the zoom level where you will find this Julia's corresponding satellite, i.e. minibrot -- whatever colloquialism you use for it. This value generalizes into the higher-order M-sets by a direct formula: mag[infinity] = mag[1]+mag[1]*(1/(exp-1)) = mag[1]*(1+1/(exp-1)) = mag[1]*((exp-1)/(exp-1)+1/(exp-1)) = mag[1]*(exp/(exp-1)).

Now, your last detour may not always be a first-order Julia. It can be a peanut, a four-fold -- three-fold, nine-fold, etc. for higher orders -- etc. Here, the period doublings grow by the same model but with a different starting point. I would love to generalize in this parameter, but that would require an impractical amount of acetominophen.

Hope that helps.  smiley
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« Reply #319 on: December 14, 2012, 08:13:02 PM »

Further to the above, the change in behavior is because the period-"doubling" divides ln(z - P) by the power n from zn + c, where P is the center of the minibrot. That makes angular features repeat n times, so with the quadratic M-set they double, then double again, etc. approaching the minibrot, but in z3 they triple, then triple again, and etc. Meanwhile, the logarithm of magnification shrinks similarly: depth to first doubling in quadratic is halved to get further depth to second doubling. With the cubic M-set it's reduced to 1/3.

The actual depth of the minibrot can be calculated from the depth of the final eccentric zoom by noting that the above is a geometric series with ratio 1/n, which converges on

\frac{1}{1 - \frac{1}{n}}

which is, as plynch27 said, n/(n - 1).

So if the last eccentric zoom is at some depth, the further depth to the minibrot is equal to that for z2, only half that for z3, a third for z4, and so forth.

Put another way, if you want the section from the final off-center zoom to the minibrot to have a given length, the length of the zoom to that off-center zoom has to be larger by a factor of n - 1. In other words by how many lobes the minibrot has! The two-lobed z3 requires double, for example. So if you want the zoom from doubling on to be a factor of 1050 you need to go off-center from time to time all the way down to 10100. With three-lobed z4 it would have to be 10150. And so forth.

This makes getting those lengthy zooms to minibrots much slower with higher powers, too, because compute time contributed by multiplies goes up quadratically with log mag and the number of multiplies per iteration goes up as log power -- for example, z8 requires three successive squarings. So if you want the final segment from last off-center zoom to minibrot to be of a fixed length, the time needed for the whole zoom sequence scales as n(log2 n)2. The first few such numbers, divided by that for n = 2, are:

n          time
21
33.768159193038392
48
513.478375194568137
620.04609339040372
727.584345804403696
836
945.2179103164607
1055.176031338009906
1165.8221691821511
1277.11173678946133

It's growing slower than quadratic, but substantially faster than linear. In reality it's not quite as tidy; the actual number of multiplies is never fractional, so the log2 ceiling should really be taken, which gives this corrected table:

n          time
21
36
48
522.5
627
731.5
836
972
1080
1188
1296

For z12, this predicts a nearly 100-fold slowdown for a fixed depth from final off-center zoom to minibrot compared to for the plain Mandelbrot set, with a 12-times deeper zoom overall.

So, basically what everyone else said, but putting concrete numbers to "minibrots approach much quicker". smiley
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« Reply #320 on: December 15, 2012, 10:14:41 PM »

'Fraid we're in another slow patch, guys...

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« Reply #321 on: December 17, 2012, 09:48:14 AM »

you made it to orbittrap cheesy
http://orbittrap.ca/?p=4358

lols, although i never got a response from him, he seems to read my mails wink
i was upset of the classification of most of the images
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« Reply #322 on: January 09, 2013, 09:47:01 PM »

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« Reply #323 on: January 09, 2013, 10:55:16 PM »

Now I see what took so long. shocked
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« Reply #324 on: January 10, 2013, 04:31:55 AM »

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« Reply #325 on: January 26, 2013, 05:58:19 AM »

Thanks!

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