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« on: December 29, 2006, 09:24:02 PM »

This is the proverbial "Match Made in Heaven!"




Bigger ; http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/wow.png

I just plugged this image from Chaoscope into Mutatorkammer and got a bunch of Wonderful results!



Bigger; http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/again3-1.jpg


Here's another:




Bigger; http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/tile2-2.png

And One More!




Bigger:
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/squaremandala.png

By using images and vector analysis it appears Mutatorkamme can do justice to images made in Any fractal Generator!

Versatile Program.

I look forward to the next release!
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2006, 06:36:07 PM »

I cleaned up "Tile2" above (if you saw it before, look again!).

AND here's a couple more!




Bigger;  http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/chaos2.png




Bigger;  http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/chaos3b.png



These images tile very nicely too!





http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/chaos3tiled.png


Fun Stuff for the Holidaze!
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2006, 06:34:05 AM »

oh great, i think there must be a button for choosing the image used by the formula wink

could you describe which images are from mutatorkammer, and which are chaoscope unmodified images?


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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2006, 11:12:09 AM »

Christian Kleinhuis (Trifox) wrote:
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>    could you describe which images are from mutatorkammer,
>    and which are chaoscope unmodified images?

It appears that only one of the above images is from Chaoscope, and all of the others are from your program.

And it does seem that the use of Chaoscope images with Mutatorkammer is a great combination, based upon the results displayed here!!  Great work Sockratease!!    :-) 

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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2006, 01:26:52 PM »

oh great, i think there must be a button for choosing the image used by the formula wink

could you describe which images are from mutatorkammer, and which are chaoscope unmodified images?

The image selection button was going to be in my list of suggestions for your next upgrade!

Mr. Nahee was correct in that only the one image  (2nd one posted in thread) is from Chaoscope.

I want to try fractal images from other programs...  just to see what happens.

But the way chaoscope leaves "negative space" seems to be important.

When I was working on those images with the Gorgeous Woman, like this one:



Bigger: http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/inf162.jpg


*sigh*

Umm  where was I??

Oh yes...

If the image had a background, it got messy very easily.  Plain backgrounds help.

I'll post a more complete review of the program with a list of questions and suggestions soon!

Here's one more Chaoscope image from Mutatorkammer (same source image)





http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/chaos1.png


Have a Safe and Happy New Year's!

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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2006, 06:09:05 PM »

ah, that is pretty nice to see that grin tongue stuck out


small hint on using images:

make them tileable before inserting it into the program, image borders look bad.
in your case the black background is tileable wink

and i like these 2 images most
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/tile2-2.png
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/chaos2.png

the image import function will be reworked now, it will be also possible to use
formula images as image source, so that the scaling effects are not so disturbing, formula import from
other programs will only be possible if the program offers a c++ library for rendering a formula file...

happy new year
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2007, 08:00:46 PM »

Its a great meeting - I really like it !  smiley
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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2007, 04:26:53 PM »

Thanks Margit!

Here's some more:
















Great Fun!


Oh yeah...

They all came from this Chaoscope image:

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2007, 05:58:48 PM »

Woodja Believe ...


Mutator Mouse!


http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/mickey.jpg

I just made Mickey Mouse in Mutatorkammer!!

I used this image from chaoscope:



http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/bluedala100b.jpg

And I got that image from Mutatorkammer:

It looks Startlingly like Mickey Mouse to me!!

What do you think?
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2007, 06:37:56 PM »

lol, this one really looks like 2 Mickey Mouses, and you needed this as image input, very interresting results, quite funny !

 the colors of the image do not match the colors of the mickey mouse, very interresting result for this input image wink
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2007, 06:44:04 PM »

Sockratease wrote:
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>    Mutator Mouse!  I just made Mickey Mouse in Mutatorkammer!!
>    It looks Startlingly like Mickey Mouse to me!!
>    What do you think?

Either that or a very strange Teddy Bear.    wink

Definitely an interesting output based upon the image used as input.
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2007, 12:52:23 PM »

And for this morning...

I took this Chaoscope Image:




and Mutatorkammer made a nifty avatar sized animation. Some frames reminds of The Gillman!  (Creature From The Black Lagoon)




Actually, I rendered it big, but it was a HUGE file!! 

Got to get the file size down some more and make it usable!

This program is becoming a favorite!
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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2007, 02:21:14 PM »

hey, i am so glad you say that, i am right now working on a nice threaded rendering, so that it does not block
your whole system while rendering, beside of that i am going to localize the image settings,
size/oversampling/palette and stuff like that, i am right now quite happy with the different fractal types i build in

btw. the animation really looks like some strange alien grinning at me  cool

and have you yet tried out to import an animation sequence ?

and what do you think about the interface at all ?

i think you want to have some kind of undo button, to not loose previous mutations,
what about the interactive parameters editor ? they need some kind of rework, i know
tell me how it works out for you, how does the program behave if you really want to achieve
something, you try out until it fits your needs? do you use the treeview formula editor ?

questions over questions, i am trying to develop this program further and make it quite
useable....
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2007, 07:46:44 PM »

Wow!  Questions.
OK...

and have you yet tried out to import an animation sequence ?

Yes, but i only seem to get the first frame appearing in the library!

How does that work?

I assumed it was still in progress.

and what do you think about the interface at all ?

I mentioned in another post that I like the interface very much!  A few suggestions would be things like  a color pallette editor in which I can continue to play with the polygons as shown, but actively change the colors involved or some sort of means of identifying more readily which of the shown "circles" modify what aspect of the image.

I think the options to show and hide various windows via buttons is a welcome addition. 

An idea for improvement might be to make interaction in the breed window changed to a double click so I don't accidentally single click in there and ruin a project (again).

i think you want to have some kind of undo button, to not loose previous mutations,
what about the interactive parameters editor ? they need some kind of rework, i know

YES!  UNDO BUTTON!!

And as mentioned above, just having a clue which ones will effect what aspects will help.  Perhaps color code the backgrounds of the circle?

tell me how it works out for you, how does the program behave if you really want to achieve
something, you try out until it fits your needs?

This is where your program really shines!

I LOVE fractal generators where I can "sculpt" the image in real time.

Chasocope and yours both have  interfaces that allow for such artistry.

I admit I have been working mostly with images on your program (but really do have some fractal stuff to show soon!) but to answer your question with images, lets talk about Smilies!

This is exactly the result I wanted when I plugged a normal smilie face into Mutatorkammer:









And, of course, a Smilie Dive!



Bigger and more colorful:
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/sockratease/infsmiley2.gif



Oh yes... tree formula editor.  Not Yet!

Soon...
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2007, 08:30:27 PM »

 first of all, i need an international good name for the program

Mutatorkammer is a bit annoying and reminds to much to bad german history tongue stuck out

any sugestions are welcome!

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Yes, but i only seem to get the first frame appearing in the library!
How does that work?
I assumed it was still in progress.

it works by simply selecting a numbered image from a sequence, after that, when moving the timeline
slider, it will also import a new image, it is indeed work in progress, but should work, the animation gets repeated if
the frames do not match the length of your animation



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I mentioned in another post that I like the interface very much!  A few suggestions would be things like  a color pallette editor in which I can continue to play with the polygons as shown, but actively change the colors involved or some sort of means of identifying more readily which of the shown "circles" modify what aspect of the image.
I think the options to show and hide various windows via buttons is a welcome addition. 
An idea for improvement might be to make interaction in the breed window changed to a double click so I don't accidentally single click in there and ruin a project (again).

yes, the one click breed function is quite disturbing sometimes, but a double click opens the formula in the detail
window, i think i need more options ... i think i will do a context menu,

THE VERSION 0.63 HAS A DIRECT VISUALISATION OF PALETTE CHANGES !

doubleclick - breed
right mouse - context menu ( zoom in / zoom out / single edit)

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YES!  UNDO BUTTON!!

And as mentioned above, just having a clue which ones will effect what aspects will help.  Perhaps color code the backgrounds of the circle?


undo button and history will come !
 
and, the thing to give more sense to the parameters is quite an effort wink
one point about the program is that there is no exactly defined parameter

 i am thinking about it a lot, 

but this will take some time, but i am thinking of a description of each function's parameters that will be displayed
there, so,for example the add function

ADD(par1,par2) - could have some ADDANT1 ADDANT2 help string, which will then be displayed beneath the
parameter it belongs to, this will come when i implemented the overal function editor, to assign different
propabilities to the functions !

or the APFEL(par1,par2,par3) will become reminders
par1=Initial Z Value
par2=Seed
par3=exponent

but if the functions get longer and deeper, it would still be a problem to figure out what parameter
actually changes what, try and error will remain inside the programm anyway ;( sad

keep on playing wink
greets
ck
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