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« on: December 04, 2014, 11:31:25 PM »



Mandel machine, mandelbrot set

This is an enormous intricate and symmetrical structure found at at depth of 2^6901.5 in the mandelbrot set. There are two types of trees, there's shape-stacking with fork-shapes going on, and the main structure it itself a tree. I estimate that the pixels in this image have iteration counts around 35 000 000. I rendered this a few weeks ago at larger resolution, but mandel machine crashed and I have not been able to reload the file containing the progress. You can click the image to see the 4000×3000 image on deviantart.

Named after the baby monster group which is also an enormous intricate symmetrical structure.

Magnification:
2^6901.591
3.8539742140068607747447368372813 E2077

Coordinates:
Code:
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2014, 08:52:31 AM »

I love your deep zoom pics.. this one is great!
you must be a vers patient guy wink I never reach those depths.. I've been to e1000 just 3 times now. I tend to zoom into high densitiy areas, leading to high iterations very soon..
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2014, 09:16:58 AM »

This one looks very interesting.
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2014, 09:28:52 AM »

Amazing!
What do you do when you sculpted an interesting shape with deep Julia morphing?
You just continue sculpting a new shape with the previous shape just as a small part of it!
Fantastic!

And it was already there infinitely long before the universe was born in the big bang.
As all the others are, that haven't been discovered yet.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2014, 09:40:33 AM »

And it was already there infinitely long before the universe was born in the big bang.
As all the others are, that haven't been discovered yet.
yeah!
and yet, at the same the m-set is 'just' a simple mirror, depicting a "lowres"-version of all that is around us in the cosmos..
fractals are just so omnipresent and ... awesome!

I will never get over the fact that so few people care, that there is no serious scientific discussion about the big WHY fractals are everywhere.
god here, religion there, wars fought, science debunked, new theories emerge.. yet, no one seriously researches the obvious.. undecided

but being here and exchange with you guys makes it at least a little less annoying, and to be honest not feel so alone with these views..

and it's also very cool - as I stated in another thread- to be the very first to see these 'places'.. one of the few realms left, where everyone can be the very first explorer. sitting at home, staring at beauty on a screen. smiley

and:
if some people keep saying that just zooming into fractals (without any post-production) isn't real art because it has all been there, it's pictures like the deepzooms from you dinkydau, that prove different.
with the shapestacking techniques you use, it is as much creative sculpting as chiseling a block of marble. the final statue has also "been in there"
and creating the right palette is as much an artform as choosing and mixing "real" colours to paint a picture.


out of curiosity: how many hours/days did it take you to reach that location?
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2014, 03:50:22 PM »

This is awesome! Really... Your work is legendary.
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2014, 04:42:39 PM »

That is one pretty special deep zoom image.  Just a slight change in the palette or colour mapping parameters would change this into something nowhere near as interesting.  Part of the fun is to find the image, the other is to hone the palette to reveal maximum detail.

Totally outstanding.  If I were to possess even 1% of your skill and talent I would be so happy.

Very well done.
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2014, 05:23:18 PM »

Wow.

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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2014, 05:57:19 PM »

Thank you very much everyone
I'm very happy with so many comments.

Chillheimer
indeed it's special that it's possible to be the first explorer of various things in the mandelbrot set (and other fractals). That makes it very worthwhile to do for me. Some time ago, SeryZone found (likely) the first S completely made up of other Ss, and Kalles fraktaler was (likely) first to explore the stretched parts of some other fractals.

I didn't record how much time I have spent exactly. It took me more than a month to zoom to this. Some days I zoomed for a few hours, some days not at all. I started with kalles fraktaler and went to mandel machine when it was improved with greater maximum depth. Near 2^6900, calculation of the reference point took more than 10 minutes each time. The first render at 25600×19200 took slightly longer than a week on my old computer, and this one (16000×12000) about one day on my new computer with i7-5820k.

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Revealing details in a suitable way was a challenge with this location. The main shape easily blends with the details in between, but I also didn't want to destroy the details to make it clearly visible. Otherwise the shape-stacking would have been done for nothing.
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2014, 01:41:12 PM »

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Magnification:
2^6901.591
3.8539742140068607747447368372813 E2077



What means second parameter after magnification ?

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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2014, 05:50:34 PM »



What means second parameter after magnification ?



its the zoom depth
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2014, 01:42:31 PM »

hey dinkydau,
I'm wondering:
-did you go past minibrots, or do you try to avoid them, to keep iterations lower?
-do you zoom "blindly", just searching for the middle, without waiting for the full image to be calculated?
-what imagesize do you use in deeper depth to explore?
-do you really plan the shapestacking or is it kind of random most of the time? I mean, did you have this baby-monster in your mind and did every zoom on purpose to reach this?

regards!
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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2014, 03:58:11 PM »

its the zoom depth

Isn't it the different form of magnification :

Code:
2^(6901.591) = 3.8539742140068607747447368372813E2077 = 3.8539742140068607747447368372813 *10^(2077)

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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2014, 04:25:38 PM »

Isn't it the different form of magnification :

Code:
2^(6901.591) = 3.8539742140068607747447368372813E2077 = 3.8539742140068607747447368372813 *10^(2077)

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Yes, that's it. Some programs use a power of 2, others use scientific notation.

hey dinkydau,
I'm wondering:
-did you go past minibrots, or do you try to avoid them, to keep iterations lower?
-do you zoom "blindly", just searching for the middle, without waiting for the full image to be calculated?
-what imagesize do you use in deeper depth to explore?
-do you really plan the shapestacking or is it kind of random most of the time? I mean, did you have this baby-monster in your mind and did every zoom on purpose to reach this?

regards!
I don't really avoid minibrots. I zoomed past one minibrot here for the fork-shapes but I didn't need more.
For long periods of zooming in the center, I first calculate the depth of the next shape where I have to go offcenter, so that I know where to stop. Then it's safely possible to zoom blindly.
The image size I have used during zooming was 1280×960.
I planned everything. My idea was to make an S full of two types of trees and forks in between. Then I decided how long the forks were going to be and which types of trees to make. When I was on my way I realized that making an S would be undoable because the speed of the calculations was just too low to go that deep (in kalles fraktaler). With mandel machine I have been able to continue up until here and it was hard. So yeah, I had this baby monster in my mind, but I had not planned to stop here.
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2014, 07:07:38 PM »

If mandel machine will update to infinite zoom, will you zoom it further?huh? That's would be crazy!
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