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« on: July 13, 2010, 05:49:35 PM »

So, I had this idea while listening to a movie about a composer, who I forgot his name, and I started mapping a fractal music "algorithm".  I decided to use a melodic theme of alternating half-steps and then from that theme, derive new themes deriving new themes.  I find it interesting that I got back to the original theme, so I added a new variation to the theme to keep it moving.  Each variation is derived from the main theme but sections.
C,C#,B,D,Bb,Eb,A,E,Ab,F,G,F#,F#.....  i.e. ([1]C-D),([2]Bb-E),([3]Ab-F#)...

The Harpsichordist is Julie Ives and she graciously accepted to play the piece!
Uses Soundclick's streaming player. Must click lo-fi or hi-fi to start playing.
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8209625



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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2010, 07:37:57 AM »

To whoever listens to my music, I thank you and would love to hear your thoughts.  Soundclick tracks all my links and this link has been recently used.   I would love to hear feedback.  Fractals and music is not new.  There's a whole self-similar attribute to Bach's music and many others who use themes similarly.
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2010, 10:06:24 AM »

Interesting!
Somehow it reminds me of Robert Fripp. Go figure !
Anyway.
I would personally add a countermelody but then again I have a tendency to over complicate things and ruining them  cheesy
Listening to your other material there.
take care.
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2010, 10:43:10 AM »

Interesting!
Somehow it reminds me of Robert Fripp. Go figure !
Anyway.
I would personally add a countermelody but then again I have a tendency to over complicate things and ruining them  cheesy
Listening to your other material there.
take care.

Thanks for listening.  I appreciate the thoughts.
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2010, 03:33:02 PM »

Listening to the iteration is interesting, but "soul " is missing: Volume and note  shaping and connection. A good direction to explore further though. Realise that a regular bass line or drums is fractal too!
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2010, 04:04:01 PM »

Listening to the iteration is interesting, but "soul " is missing: Volume and note  shaping and connection. A good direction to explore further though. Realise that a regular bass line or drums is fractal too!

Thank you for your thoughts and listening.  I truly do appreciate it. grin

It's hard to get soul into a harpsichord, including note shaping, etc.  I would agree that even if played on the piano, it may lack oomph.  But it was my first major fractal music piece, and now my new ones have yet to be performed.  Maybe soon.... 

A little bit about the harpsichord, it is a mechanical instrument and no amount of force on the keys will change the note.  That is why I chose it.  I wanted a machine-like effect, to create a sort of awkwardness.  Plus, I know the player is not familiar with harpsichord techniques, bless her heart for performing it, though.  I have never played on the harpsichord either so I am lucky she would do it for me.

Due to the fact that I am no longer in Music school, I doubt I could get a group to play any of my fractal pieces anymore.  I may do them electronically from now on, saves on money.

Bach is the best to explore soul in fractal music.  I would consider all of his fugues fractal.  In time I may find that soul Bach did.  It's something I plan to explore.

Bach's so amazing that some would say he was an alien. alien
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2010, 04:55:28 AM »

The rhythm scale is already fractal consisting of full notes, quavers, semi quavers, demi quavers etc, and the pitch scale although called tones are actually proportional frequency ratios, thus they form a fractal scale. Music is entirely based on fractal scales, because humans are fractal beings and the product of iterative processes!

I know that the tone scales for instruments are actually "rough" or approximate as this is apparently more pleasing to the ear, so even tuning is fractal, and therein lies "soul"... that bending, twisting and slipping of the ratios to convey nonverbally what someone is thinking or feeling. Thus soul is fractal as is all communication between fractal peoples.

The fractal soul of a machine is often "ironed out", and we can hear the driving monotony of the entraining algorithm. Randomise the algorithms pitch accuracy, vibrato, and dynamics,and rhythm accuracy and see if you can get a bit of soul in there!
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2010, 06:35:33 AM »

Yes indeed, new instruments new sounds, different delays and echoes...   A whole lot of ideas you give me.  Let's see if I can find the old sheet music. cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2010, 06:52:34 AM »

Wow, awesome that you got a rl harpsichord player to perform it.  Sounds cool too
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2010, 07:01:51 AM »

Thanks Sonofthort!
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2010, 10:57:19 PM »

Have you ever thought about doing these pieces "Virtually"?
Using a recording/sequencing program could open up 1000s of possibilities.
I quit having bands and rehearsals the moment I found I could do this at home
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2010, 11:13:55 PM »

Yes, German Fafian, I have actually.  I just need to get myself some money and buy a cool virtual synth.
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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2010, 11:17:24 PM »

Yes, German Fafian, I have actually.  I just need to get myself some money and buy a cool virtual synth.
There are plenty good free ones.
Visit KVR audio and search around.
I would recommend Green Oaks Crystal as an all time classic.
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2010, 01:10:08 AM »

I would recommend Green Oaks Crystal as an all time classic.

Thanks!  I would havee never known about that.  Now I just need to figure out how to use it in Cubase LE.
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2010, 01:37:56 AM »

So, I had this idea while listening to a movie about a composer, who I forgot his name, and I started mapping a fractal music "algorithm".  I decided to use a melodic theme of alternating half-steps and then from that theme, derive new themes deriving new themes.  I find it interesting that I got back to the original theme, so I added a new variation to the theme to keep it moving.  Each variation is derived from the main theme but sections.
C,C#,B,D,Bb,Eb,A,E,Ab,F,G,F#,F#.....  i.e. ([1]C-D),([2]Bb-E),([3]Ab-F#)...

The Harpsichordist is Julie Ives and she graciously accepted to play the piece!
Uses Soundclick's streaming player. Must click lo-fi or hi-fi to start playing.
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8209625

Hmm, film music involved in fractal now! Seem like you need to work more on the notes.


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