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« on: October 29, 2012, 08:31:19 PM »

sorry didn't realize, that i placed my lament directly behind a fb link. I remnoved the original and republish in a separate thread:

"Sorry for the directness guys, but someone needs to say that. The reason, why this calendar doesn't work, is the same reason, why the cups and the calendar 2012 didn't work:
It is FAR TOO EXPENSIVE and in addition this time the need of prefinancing via Paypal (incl. non existent shipping costs) looks shady to everyone outside FF.

With this pricing, you will allways reach only a hand full of freaks, willing to pay such outragous prices without any guarantee. Mass appealing is something completely different!

I had a quick glance in google. Custom made calendars can be produced between 5 - 7 € (all inclusive) per piece (run of 100) so a price of 36 € upwards is beyond me.

Additionally there is still no valid ordering thread. Christian linked to http://www.fractalforums.com/fractalforums-com-calendar-project/calendar-wont-happen-if-we-cant-manage-to-sell-30-!!!/ on facebook. Not a single sign, where or how to order - not behhind the link, and not on fb. What do you expect to happen?

When you really get together 29 orders, I will place mine - not a single second earlier."
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2012, 10:54:06 AM »

Ok dear torsten and all others

i agree that my public relations work is very inconvenient but all the other points i cant agree

let me describe it

firat of all sure a calendar cost 7 euro to print 100 but have you really thought about

. . . 100 calendars and then what? Single packaging and transporting to the post office is done by myself and i want basically this work somehow payed

. . . Using an online print and delivery service is at cheapest available for 18 euro a single calendar with no revenue for me or the fourms
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. . . The calendar is a piece of art from 10 different artists all around the globe alone collecting the hires veraions of images is huge work. Sure you can print one by yourself but then the shipping and packaging is left for you . . .

. . . Beside of all that, again it is an extraordinary statement of what we do here!

. . . Do you really think it is too expensive? I would love to pay the contributors, pay me and at least pay the forums, beside of that THIS IS CONTEMPORARY ART just having nice pics virtually does not transport the message!

. . . So please consider this before comparing just the material cost alone

. . . So what to do about reaching people?
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2012, 10:56:03 AM »

    When I first take a look at the calendar thing, I considered to buy it, until I saw the price, as has been said, very few people will have motivation enough to pay this.
    can it be possible to create and distribute a cheap digital calendar?
    As so many people spends small quantities with apps, ringtones, online comics, etc. an interesting enough digital fractal calendar could be sold for download at some cents.
  This way the calendar can offer something more than just some images, at least, animated gifs, maybe 3D, etc, I know, not so artsy, but maybe you can fund the paper one.
  I believe very few people regards at the calendar as a piece of contemporay art, so, from this viewpoint you can´t expect to sold it massively.
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2012, 11:27:27 AM »

There are only two words to consider here: supply and demand

when noone (or too few) order the desired piece because of the price, then yes, I think it is too expensive - at all points.
Noone out there gives a sh.. of your excuses or the financial problems you're struggeling with. They want good art for low money. And as the ff calendar is not the only high quality art calendar out there, it must not be three times higher priced than others or it will be left behind. This is the law of the market.

The sooner you get this, the better.
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2012, 11:31:46 AM »

Ok so, shall i reduce the price to 15? So that each one who already bought one gets 2 ? Ok but then i need 60 ones pre saled cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2012, 11:33:53 AM »

Shipping cost will bethe same and i would then be at 28 sold pieces still just 50% of the prefinance amount and no possibility to pay the artists at such low marges. . . But ok i am fine with it will propose it in the show
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2012, 08:29:13 PM »

Okay, time to put in my tuppence... Seems to me that both Christian and Torsten are right. Supply and demand is the basis, but that doesn't mean the price isn't right; it means that not enough people are reached... I'm pretty sure that if 6 billion  people would know about this calender, it would be possible to sell 30 pieces grin. And a price of 30 € seems to me as more or less average for a calender of this format. One thing to get more exposure is to be featured on the right blogs. I'm sure that if you get featured at boingboing, you will sell more then 30 in a day! The 30 Calender Question is how to achieve that...
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2012, 09:34:49 PM »

. . . Leaking in the right place and when? wink
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