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Author Topic: International Benoit Mandelbrot Fractal Art Contest 2011  (Read 11367 times)
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« on: July 14, 2011, 02:02:02 AM »

http://www.fractalartcontests.com/2011/

Please pass on the link anywhere and everywhere - let's make this the biggest contest so far in Benoit Mandelbrot's memory.
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2011, 11:29:37 PM »

Though predictably whiny, Orbit Trap's response is worth a read: BMFAC Slinks Back
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2011, 10:46:52 AM »

Though predictably whiny, Orbit Trap's response is worth a read: BMFAC Slinks Back

interesting dispute. while i am not able to relate to most charges made here (as i don't know the background), i have the same questions as cruelanimal. are there / who are the sponsors? who is the jury? and so on...  huh? huh? huh?

my enthusiasm is limited
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2011, 01:51:55 PM »

Controversy apart, I don't fully understand the rules... any form of fractal art, no categories? I think 2D and 3D should be separated, and maybe manipulated and raw fractals also (I mean heavy manipulations) but who knows... just my opinion.

And for this part I have two observations:

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3.9. Content: Artwork may be submitted that is created with any tools, software or hardware. Artists should remember that this is not just an art contest, but a fractal art contest. Entries should also not contain grossly offensive or blatantly pornographic material; such entries may be refused (and not displayed on the contest web site).

1 - Any tools? software OR hardware? Does a hammer count as a hardware tool? can I build a menger sponge made of wood and then take a photo? smiley
2 - Pornographic material? maybe they decided to put this rule after seeing this: http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=7836  embarrass

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2011, 01:57:38 PM »

As usual Terry's main complaint is that the contest does not get enough exposure - if he'd like to pay for adverts in say the New York Times that would be great but as it's restricted in terms of advertising to what the sponsors are prepared to stump up and what can be done *for free on a voluntary basis by anyone interested in publicising the contest* I think the publicity overall has been pretty good in the past and I'm hoping it will be even better this time.
Terry - if you know a *free* way of publicising the contest and exhibitions to reach those you feel should be reached who are not currently being reached then please pass on any suggestions....
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2011, 02:07:01 PM »


1 - Any tools? software OR hardware? Does a hammer count as a hardware tool? can I build a menger sponge made of wood and then take a photo? smiley
2 - Pornographic material? maybe they decided to put this rule after seeing this: http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=7836  embarrass



1. I guess that needs clarifying, but IMO it refers to electronic/computer hardware given the overall context though I could be wrong smiley
2. Remember (for example) some software can import images to be mapped into fractals or manipulated by fractal algorithms so the warning is necessary (i.e. I'm pretty sure some of Sockratease work may not be eligible).

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2011, 02:56:07 PM »


1 - Any tools? software OR hardware? Does a hammer count as a hardware tool? can I build a menger sponge made of wood and then take a photo? smiley
2 - Pornographic material? maybe they decided to put this rule after seeing this: http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=7836  embarrass



1. I guess that needs clarifying, but IMO it refers to electronic/computer hardware given the overall context though I could be wrong smiley
2. Remember (for example) some software can import images to be mapped into fractals or manipulated by fractal algorithms so the warning is necessary (i.e. I'm pretty sure some of Sockratease work may not be eligible).



1. It's clear enough for me and hopefully for all, but you know... there's always people who likes to interpret rules in their own way. I participated in two photography contests here in my city (2nd place two years ago and 1st in the last one! afro), and there was a person that complained about my entry because the contest's subject was "the city" and there was "no city shown in the photo"... but it was a picture taken from a weird angle of a well-known metal sculputure made of pipes ("The Arch") located at the city's main access point!!!

2. Yeah, I know... I just found it funny to read that because I recalled my fractal, but I forgot I'm not the only "fractal pornographer" around here  evil
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2011, 04:03:15 PM »

I think 2D and 3D should be separated

The 2011 rules are very similar to those from the last contest (2009), held prior to the emergence of 3D fractals, so it's unclear whether the organizers considered this issue. It will be interesting to see the proportion of 3D works among the entries and the winners.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2011, 05:56:22 PM »

Hello all,

Dave Makin, as usual, distorts my point about the lack of publicity for recent BMFAC exhibitions. I never said I expected the contest organizers to do something like take out full page ads in major newspapers. It would be nice, though, if the BMFAC director could be bothered to actually update the contest web site with ongoing news about any current expos. How much would such little effort cost?

There were actually four BMFAC exhibitions for the 2009 competition -- two in Spain, one in Argentina, and the main showcase in India. There was, however, not one sentence or a single photograph on the main page about any of these events. Once the winners were announced, the BMFAC 2009 site went completely dormant, and, apparently, only the contest winners received any promotional information. In fact, I doubt that even most fractal artists who entered the contest knew about the existence of the three earlier exhibitions -- unless they read Orbit Trap.

In contrast, during the first BMFAC exhibition, when art work by the contest judges was hung beside that of the contest winners, the BMFAC web site had plenty of press copy and photos -- like a shot of BMFAC director Damien M. Jones hanging out with Benoit Mandelbrot under a print of Jones's non-juried entry. The point of my recent post was that BMFAC administrators seem to only care about publicity when they've managed to unethically slip their own work into one of these "contest" exhibitions -- but it seems they can't be bothered to keep our community informed if only the winning artists are being featured.

So, I'm not "whining" that there isn't enough publicity for BMFAC exhibitions. I'm just noting that having any publicity at all on the contest site would be a refreshing change.

If forum members have more interest in the BMFAC publicity issue, here are the relevant posts on OT:

The BMFAC Exhibition Begins: Who Knew?
http://orbittrap.ca/?p=1260

BMFAC: Out of Sight, Out of Mind?
http://orbittrap.ca/?p=1556

The BMFAC 2010: An Audience of Winners
http://orbittrap.ca/?p=2177

BMFAC: Sorry, you're looking for something that isn't here
http://orbittrap.ca/?p=2189

presenting...The Information Hallway!
http://orbittrap.ca/?p=2562

BMFAC: "We Are All Winners Now"
http://orbittrap.ca/?p=2566

Thanks for your time. I always enjoy my visits to FF to follow the conversations and to study the art.

Best regards,

Terry

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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2011, 07:56:44 PM »

@Terry The contest is one thing, the exhibitions something else - the publicity for exhibitions is for obvious reasons more restricted to the locale of said exhibitions and in the past towards those folks already attending events related to the exhibitions.
There is not a lot of value in publicising the exhibitions globally on the web (e.g. on DA, R'osity etc.), this is not the best way to get visitors to real-world gallery/exhibition events - unless of course said event is enough in itself for people to travel abroad (say like the Olympics or World Cup etc).
Also there are so few volunteers helping with the contest that to have someone visit all the exhibitions to give feedback is not always possible - for example unless an exhibition is within around 30 miles of Colwyn Bay then there is absolutely nothing I could do directly myself to help cover it.
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2011, 08:21:16 PM »

There were actually four BMFAC exhibitions for the 2009 competition -- two in Spain, one in Argentina, and the main showcase in India. There was,

ARGENTINA? wow, I really missed that. It was on Buenos Aires? 2009? Even when I hadn't a very strong interest in fractals before last year, I knew about Benoit Mandelbrot and Mandelbrot set and I think I had enough interest to go to the exhibition or at least remember if I saw any publicity about it... I always read the "culture & art" section of the main newspaper here, it has a lot of info for exhibitions in the capital city and I'm only a few miles from them. Weird, I just can't remember any mention of it on any other media.
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2011, 09:23:00 PM »

Dave,

You are merely posturing here for the sake of damage control.  Orbit Trap's main objection to BMFAC has never centered on the necessity for "more publicity" but rather on systemic problems pertaining to the manner in which the competition is run -- problems like inherent conflicts of interest in the judging panel, heavy-handed rules favoring specific software, acute secrecy, art by contest administrators being unfairly placed in the exhibition, lack of conventional art contest protocols, and a host of other ethical lapses.  I notice that so far you've managed to address none of these more pressing issues that continue to taint the contest.

It was you who raised the issue of publicity here -- and you who called me out in this forum to "pass on any suggestions."  So, in the spirit of discourse, I obliged.

And are you now seriously trying to argue that the BMFAC exhibitions are separate from the contest?  Here are the opening two sentences from the 2011 BMFAC Contest Rules page:

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As part of our continuing efforts to promote fractal and algorithmic art, we are organizing another new exhibition of fractal art. This contest is to select all of the fractal artwork that will be used in the exhibition.

Obviously, the rationale for holding the contest is to specifically choose art to be featured in the main exhibition.

The global vs. local promotion issue is a red herring you've raised as a smoke screen.  I merely noted that it's easy and inexpensive to upload some text and photos about BMFAC exhibitions to the main site.  However, the director only does so when the contest manages to sneak his work and that of his judge-friends through the exhibition's back door.  I asked: Is this a coincidence?  Or a deliberately managed stunt to further the organizers' reputations and careers?

Overall, I think this conversation would be more productive if you would respond to what I actually write and have written.

Best to you,

Terry

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2 - Pornographic material? maybe they decided to put this rule after seeing this: http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=7836
 

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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2011, 10:27:37 PM »

2. Remember (for example) some software can import images to be mapped into fractals or manipulated by fractal algorithms so the warning is necessary (i.e. I'm pretty sure some of Sockratease work may not be eligible).

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2011, 12:52:20 PM »

@Terry I am just not going to validate your insane conspiracy theories with any direct response (beyond this) wink
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