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« on: October 07, 2016, 02:07:37 AM »

Hey, my name is Chloe, and a crew of us made a program that Encrypts your 3D assets. It's called D3CRYPT3D. We just launched the beta today and would love for you to register, test it out, and give us any feedback you may have. We just want to make an amazing product and finally get 3D artists the credit they deserve.

Here is the link to download the software- http://www.d3crypt3d.net/download.html

Note: D3CRYPT3D is only available for PC right now, but will be available for Mac very soon!

Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2016, 02:40:37 AM »

How does this differ from...

services/ServiceMenus/encryptfile
services/ServiceMenus/encryptfolder

huh? as far as I can tell I have the ability to encrypt files and entire folders already built into the system huh?
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2016, 03:07:34 AM »

Our software has built in asset-tracking functionality allowing you to see real-time who is accessing your object after you share it. This gives the creator an audit trail.

Thank you for you question!
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2016, 04:25:28 AM »

This still puzzles me a bit, I may have to ask a few more dumb questions...

if I have an encrypted object and then share the object and key(s) what is stopping an individual from sharing the decrypted object?
it has  to get decrypted in order to be able to see it right?

my webserver logs every ip number and every access to every file on my site, I already know who is accessing and how often, if there was anything I didn't want to share it simply would not be on my webserver and if you purchase a digital asset from me it belongs to you and you can do whatever you like with it.

Some time ago, a person un-named, took images from this site (FF) and posted them elsewhere as their own, it didn't take long before the account was shut down and removed, can you provide some insight as to why your software is needed? is it just the novelty of seeing how many likes my artwork gets? facebook already does that and has a lot of fancy statistical features for those people who have a need to see the stats on a particular image they post or page they wrote.
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2016, 09:31:37 AM »

Our software has built in asset-tracking functionality allowing you to see real-time who is accessing your object after you share it. This gives the creator an audit trail...

Sounds an awful lot like spyware to me.

What will stop an anti-virus or firewall from intercepting this activity and quarantining the assets??

What personal information is it leeching from my system without permission?

Is it an IP Address?  If so, what about those of us using proxies and vpn's for the web?  ISP's who use a Dynamic IP Address?  Wont that generate large quantities of false positives for every IP Address we use?  I'm not certain that is legal in all countries.

Or is it digging even deeper and sending machine id codes?  I'm not certain that wont anger a lot of users.

What about a user who has multiple computers?  Buying a 3D Asset has never, in my experience, limited the buyer to a single machine on which it can be used.

In this age of privacy protection, this software may run afoul of ethical considerations if it is tracking stuff, and broadcasting personal information, without end user consent and taking all these other possibilities into consideration.

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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2016, 02:15:50 PM »

I was going to get to some of those points but I wanted to determine it's level of uselesness first wink
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2016, 08:44:42 AM »

Sounds an awful lot like spyware to me.

What will stop an anti-virus or firewall from intercepting this activity and quarantining the assets??

What personal information is it leeching from my system without permission?

Is it an IP Address?  If so, what about those of us using proxies and vpn's for the web?  ISP's who use a Dynamic IP Address?  Wont that generate large quantities of false positives for every IP Address we use?  I'm not certain that is legal in all countries.

Or is it digging even deeper and sending machine id codes?  I'm not certain that wont anger a lot of users.

What about a user who has multiple computers?  Buying a 3D Asset has never, in my experience, limited the buyer to a single machine on which it can be used.

In this age of privacy protection, this software may run afoul of ethical considerations if it is tracking stuff, and broadcasting personal information, without end user consent and taking all these other possibilities into consideration.



Great questions.  So the purpose of the software is to protect your assets and allow you to control who can access them.  Not on a basis of here is the key, use it to unlock it, rather i am granting you access to this file for these purposes.  In order to open the file in our release version you will need the plugin or agent (same with beta but with many more useful enhancements and a web based version along with a plugin version).  That is one of the most important parts of the equation.  That allows the system to keep you in charge of your assets.
The interest is not in seeing how many downloads you get.  The interest is in knowing the people you have intended to share your assets with are the only ones accessing them and making sure that is the case via the encryption.  Should the case be that your asset is cracked and stolen, the intent is that you can have a record of where this leak took place.  Ultimately we intend for this solution to be ubiquitous and implemented in such a manner that allows you to control the level of tracking as well as not have to think about the process and have protection once you install as a plugin to your preferred 3D design platform.


I have to apologize for the delay in my response as we have been focused on getting our release version ready along with wiring our offices.

Please keep the questions coming as they are super appreciated.
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2016, 08:53:40 AM »

Sounds an awful lot like spyware to me.

What will stop an anti-virus or firewall from intercepting this activity and quarantining the assets??

What personal information is it leeching from my system without permission?

Is it an IP Address?  If so, what about those of us using proxies and vpn's for the web?  ISP's who use a Dynamic IP Address?  Wont that generate large quantities of false positives for every IP Address we use?  I'm not certain that is legal in all countries.

Or is it digging even deeper and sending machine id codes?  I'm not certain that wont anger a lot of users.

What about a user who has multiple computers?  Buying a 3D Asset has never, in my experience, limited the buyer to a single machine on which it can be used.

In this age of privacy protection, this software may run afoul of ethical considerations if it is tracking stuff, and broadcasting personal information, without end user consent and taking all these other possibilities into consideration.



Spyware mines your data for nefarious purposes.  Our software does nothing of the sort.  Our software simply enables you to track your assets and ensure the people you intend to share or sell your 3D assets to, are the only ones using it.  The end user will need to consent to have the agent or plug in installed in order to access the file you intend to share.  They have already agreed to purchase it from you or you have agreed to trust them and share it.  The only data passing after that point is data to you, (if you choose to enable asset tracking). Instead of having a 10 page long agreement to not look at and click ok, it will be clearly denoted as to what information the program will make a note of.  The intent of our product is to protect the creator and allow for secure sharing while preventing piracy. 

Please continue with the questions / complaints and I will do my best to not take 2 weeks to answer.


I missed a few questions in my response sorry:

As far as the IP question goes, we use a combination of elements to uniquely identify a machine which is attempting to access an encrypted / protected object. 

In the release you will be able to configure the number of machines an object is allowed to be used on.

As far as the ethical considerations, this software is to protect the creators and deter theft of assets.  The asset thieves have no ethical considerations nor do the hollywood studios who steal them and then use them in their multimillion dollar productions.  We however understand that people may be averse to such information being collected and will be releasing a library version of our product which in tandem with the plugin or agent will control access to an object via login along with usage parameters to prevent abuse.
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2016, 09:26:41 AM »

Spyware mines your data for nefarious purposes.  Our software does nothing of the sort.  Our software simply enables you to track your assets and ensure the people you intend to share or sell your 3D assets to, are the only ones using it...

Sorry, but "I promise to use the private information I steal from you under the guise of 'security' only for Good and never for Evil" is no protection at all for the consumer!  Your intent does not enter into a decision about the ethics of such software.  Only your actions.

I doubt your reasons will protect you from the legal ramifications of collecting such data.

I am highly suspicious of such software and would absolutely never buy anything that was so intrusive!   police cop police

Your goals are admirable, but your methods are highly suspect, overly intrusive, and very probably illegal in several countries.

My best machines are offline, and never will be online.  Sounds like you'll be not only be invading my privacy, but also preventing me from using my high end computers with your products because they never go online.

You need to rethink this whole idea from the ground up!
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2016, 01:03:35 PM »

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I missed a few questions in my response sorry:

hmmm... do you code like you answer questions huh? etc. etc. etc.  clown
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2016, 02:57:00 PM »

Lol... great encryption for spyware-like soft. Nice try  grin A Beer Cup
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2016, 03:30:19 PM »

There are numerous ways to copy, share or duplicate files. The simplest of those would be to open them with notepad and copying the raw data and putting it somewhere else. So I would say there is not a good reason to use a program like this if it does not limit any of that as well to protect files. It would limit creators more than it would help them. And I certainly would not want a software nosing around on my system, I do not think other would think differently about it.
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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2016, 09:49:21 PM »

I should also point out that DAZ3D (one of - if not the - biggest 3D Model Marketplaces in the entire world) introduced encryption to their products not long ago.  The backlash was incredible!!

Customers left in droves.

They eventually decided that since they thought they were fighting piracy with the measure that it had to stay  (some board idiots who do not understand the real world insisted) but the ultimate method was to keep them encrypted only for their first year  (possibly 6 months - I forget) then make unencrypted versions available.

As one who fights piracy professionally, I can assure you that this is not a good idea.  Your whole product will do nothing but generate animosity and bad customer relations.

You should know two things about pirates of digital products :

#1 is that encryption and other forms of protection are fun for them to break.  It's their entertainment and they are very good at it.

#2 is that this will not help sales at all.  People who pirate stuff are among the last ones to ever buy it!  So if they would never buy it anyhow, no sales are lost.  And if it angers customers, it has the net effect of losing sales - not boosting them.

My opinion is that your entire product is misguided and a horrible idea.

I think the other posts in this thread from other members are just a small example of what to expect if you insist on continuing with this project.  

It's bad customer relations.  It hurts sales.  And it does next to nothing to stop piracy.

To believe otherwise is naive and will very likely backfire on you.

All that said, I admit that it is bad form to criticize so harshly without offering up a better idea   afro

So my suggestion is this : Try what the Porn Sites I work for do!  They use a technique similar to what is called Steganography.  Steganography is a trick used to hide information in a digital image.  You can add text to the header of the file.  Anything from a secret message to a unique identifier.  The videos these people sell each have a unique identifier in every copy sold which gets linked to the buyer.  Then if they see their stuff on a pirate site, they just download it, look at the identifier, find out who bought that particular serial number, and prosecute!

Very simple.  Totally non-intrusive.  100% Legal in all countries.  And fun!

Yes, it's not 100% effective, but neither is any other method available.

I hope you take these criticisms in the spirit they are intended and not as personal attacks.  Either way, good luck with whatever you choose to do, and be prepared for the backlash if you continue on the course you are currently following   afro
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2016, 10:00:09 PM »

My name is Dosa Kim with D3CRYPT3D, I've been a 3d modeler for some time and to be a 3d artist takes a lot of discipline and time to make half the things we do. The music industry goes to great lengths to protect musicians, 2d artists have a whole arsenal to pick from regarding rights. When it comes to 3d...I really find it to be lacking. The reason our software exists is that I got tired of 3d artists never getting credit for the work that they do. Many people today still feel that 3d models are not an art form. Even more discouraging are 3d printers printing models and list that they made it. No acknowledgment for the creator. Infact the newest version will have a calling card feature so that the artist or the owner of the piece will be displayed if the object is encrypted. Im looking forward to this in a big way. Its not perfect but I feel its a step in the right direction.

True customers might not feel it is a great thing. But a product is a product. If there was a standard that protected creators and owners of these 3d assets I for one welcome it. Not everyone has to use it but before judging the product I hope that you have the time to try it out. Its easy to use for both parties and its an agreement. I am proud of the work that I do and it is a travesty that 3d objects that require a lot of work and discipline is reduced to copy and paste. 

I agree that this is not the most perfect solution but to have options and until this or something better comes along, I don't think that it should continue in this format. We are a small outfit and I see pirated stuff at major studios and on torrents all day. People work on these things and great assets should be recognized and compensated for.  We are trying our best and will continue to do so. We are excited about our calling card feature that will let anyone trying to open the file the information of the artist to get access to it.

We have a number of people that have been using it with great reviews. Currently we see a future in this and hope we can help people in this craft get the credit they deserve.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2016, 11:32:31 AM »

My name is Dosa Kim with D3CRYPT3D, I've been a 3d modeler for some time and to be a 3d artist takes a lot of discipline and time to make half the things we do. The music industry goes to great lengths to protect musicians, 2d artists have a whole arsenal to pick from regarding rights. When it comes to 3d...I really find it to be lacking. The reason our software exists is that I got tired of 3d artists never getting credit for the work that they do. Many people today still feel that 3d models are not an art form. Even more discouraging are 3d printers printing models and list that they made it. No acknowledgment for the creator. Infact the newest version will have a calling card feature so that the artist or the owner of the piece will be displayed if the object is encrypted. Im looking forward to this in a big way. Its not perfect but I feel its a step in the right direction.

True customers might not feel it is a great thing. But a product is a product. If there was a standard that protected creators and owners of these 3d assets I for one welcome it. Not everyone has to use it but before judging the product I hope that you have the time to try it out. Its easy to use for both parties and its an agreement. I am proud of the work that I do and it is a travesty that 3d objects that require a lot of work and discipline is reduced to copy and paste. 

I agree that this is not the most perfect solution but to have options and until this or something better comes along, I don't think that it should continue in this format. We are a small outfit and I see pirated stuff at major studios and on torrents all day. People work on these things and great assets should be recognized and compensated for.  We are trying our best and will continue to do so. We are excited about our calling card feature that will let anyone trying to open the file the information of the artist to get access to it.

We have a number of people that have been using it with great reviews. Currently we see a future in this and hope we can help people in this craft get the credit they deserve.


I think you have a serious lack of understanding regarding the Commercial 3D Model market, and the purpose it serves.

It is not there to give recognition to anybody.  Think of it like the Commercial Stock Photograph market.

You are selling the models specifically for others to use in their own art, just as stock photography, stock video, and stock web/document templates are sold.  Sometimes 3D Models are distributed with many restrictions on their use, like no Commercial Use or no use at all without giving credit to the 3D Modeler.  BUT - in those cases the models are almost always given away free  (think of places like Sharecg.com).

When actually buying the item, such restrictions invariably must vanish.  The restrictions then become simply to not claim that you did the modeling.

If your ego does not permit you to do that, then you'd be better off not selling 3D Models except in exclusive arrangements to producers in Hollywood or the equivalent.  Then you get your name in fine print amongst the hundreds of other names in a movie's credits.  You can charge a lot more for the model, but you generally can only sell it once and forfeit all rights to use it yourself in the future.  But you get your coveted credit!

The music industry analogy is a bad one because they are protecting the rights laid out in the agreement when purchased.  You are specifically forbidden to use the songs in your own work, even just small samples of them.  3D Models are just the opposite.  You are supposed to use, alter, re-texture, or even maim the original piece for use in your own work.

And as for your request that I try it - never gonna happen!

I refuse to knowingly install spyware on my computer, and as I said before - my best computers absolutely never go online, so that means I may not be able to ever use the items I purchase on my best hardware.  What incentive is there to make a purchase that restricts my use of the product to only crappy and inferior computers?   I have to wonder though, say I decrypt the model and put it in a scene in something like 3D Studio Max or Carrara - what happens if I save the file?  Can I then open it on my good computers?  If so, your encryption is useless.  Same thing if I open it and then export it as an obj, fbx, or other format, from my software. 

And I'm also still curious how you plan on getting this software past firewalls, anti-malware and anti-spyware programs.  Even if I installed it, your software would very likely just get quarantined and blocked by my system.

3D Artists all deserve credit, but the models are all distributed with certain licenses and to think that 3D Modelers deserve more credit than Stock Photographers, or Clip Art Creators, is just egotistical and I doubt you'll meet with much, if any, success in this business model.

Again - all that said - good luck with your project!
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