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Author Topic: My initial ideas for continued development to MB3D  (Read 5299 times)
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« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2015, 05:58:35 PM »

First of all, many thanks for taking this on! I got into Mb3d after development stopped, so I've done all my learning with the current interface, but here are a few things I'd like to see, if we're doing wishlists:

1) Rule-of-three guidelines (optional) in the Navi, to help with composition.

2) It would be great if the diffuse-color-from-map option affected the Navi as well as the main window, but I suspect that would be trickier.

3) Import/export of gradients from other programs would be nice too, but I think someone else already mentioned that one.

4) Easier browsing for color maps and backgrounds, perhaps not limited to a pre-set directory. I guess the problem there is that you don't want to be giving away a map of your hard drive organization with the params ...




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« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2015, 10:22:56 PM »

About some planned new features (such as export to .obj, rendering on gpu, etc.) - may it be release this as external console utilites?
One of prefer this way is not crash the main tool - Mandelbulb 3d.
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« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2015, 11:52:33 AM »

About some planned new features (such as export to .obj, rendering on gpu, etc.) - may it be release this as external console utilites?
At least the geometry-export will probably implemented as external tool (which is transparently called from the main app), because this way it could be used also from other software and it would be easier to create a 64bit-version, which may be necessary for huge meshes.
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« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2015, 12:11:41 AM »

haha, and my 5 cents for features:

please include a layering mechanism, it should be doable to separate the formula definition and define multiple formulas to combine really different 3dfracts together, along with the reflection and MC (monte carlo rendering) it is opening up huge possibilities!  angel
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« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2015, 01:59:52 AM »

please include a layering mechanism, it should be doable to separate the formula definition and define multiple formulas to combine really different 3dfracts together, along with the reflection and MC (monte carlo rendering) it is opening up huge possibilities!  angel
Sounds interesting, but could you please explain this more, grouping/layering of formulas I understand, but what do you mean with the reference to reflection and MC? That this could create visually appealling images, especially when relection or the MC-renderer is used?

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« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2015, 03:49:02 AM »

in another thread a user wanted to place a jerusalem cube above a mandelbox and show it only through reflection in the surface ( or something wink ) which would not be possible without a layering mechanism, the MC reference was just my excitement, realistic looking images with parametrized positioning/creation of the scene contents to create scenes like descripted in the begining of this post are not possible right now ... as far as i know
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« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2015, 04:33:30 AM »

Okay, got it :-)
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« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2015, 09:20:08 AM »

in another thread a user wanted to place a jerusalem cube above a mandelbox and show it only through reflection in the surface ( or something wink ) which would not be possible without a layering mechanism, the MC reference was just my excitement, realistic looking images with parametrized positioning/creation of the scene contents to create scenes like descripted in the begining of this post are not possible right now ... as far as i know

It is possible to do today with de-combinate, here is an early example of my own:



(or do I misunderstand you Christian? )

Here are the example parameters I posted in the other thread Christian mentioned.

Sorry C, but it sounds like something which has been there for quite a while wink

Mandelbulb3Dv18{
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................................gkda61E/Ez1........Y.d..................y.2...wD
...Uz6....E0..../M.0/.....Uu....S0....E3.....waApu1VPotD/..........m/dkpXm1.OaNa
y.....kD12../..........wz.................................U0.....y1...sD...../..
.z1...sDYt/FwEs4Ry1..........KT5Ya2GMTgjlRaIqnB13vXz03vLgWpWzIUhzYvAmatDP5S9PCjN
quXp5Sqin6Pazq8.ap3fMhsDU.....I1..............sD.6....sD..G.....................
.............oAnAt1...sD....zw1.........................................J....k1.
.....Ksulz1.......kz.wzzz1.U..6.P....M2...EB....m....c3....F....6/...I1.....SF52
...U.W1KEyzlciszsU3YzTAe906.oc..zzSi...MarH7iXyD6oa4dabdnz1..........2.28.kFrA0.
.Ub96aAIVz9.1se7Umvxz0........../EU0.wzzz1...........s/...................E.2c..
zzzz.............0...................2./8.kzzzD............8....................
/EU0.wzzz1....................................8cU0.E./2Ezz/cU08../2E.tzDU08c..2E
./IzT/8cU0.E./2EQs5cU08../2E./bTU08c..2E./2ly/8cU0.E./2EMw5cU08../2E.lqTU08c..2E
./2kz/8cU0.E./2E...cU08czz/cU08cyz1cU08cxz3cU08c................................
E6...A..V6E.....2....A....EEh3aSdtqNU6oPs/UQ..........................k/9.......
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...so an extention of the DE.combinate is what we are looking for I assume...  afro

However, more formula tabs and possibility to de-combinate several hybrids would be great... Maybe that is what you meant?  afro
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« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2015, 12:19:02 PM »

oh, i see, yes but separation to separated independent formulas would be more comfortable cheesy especially because you cant combine everything with de combinate (or i am wron!? ) and you are not as free to combine anything, because: de combinate allows just to recombinate base-formulas, but not multiple hybrids in a single image wink
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« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2015, 01:45:01 PM »

oh, i see, yes but separation to separated independent formulas would be more comfortable cheesy especially because you cant combine everything with de combinate (or i am wron!? ) and you are not as free to combine anything, because: de combinate allows just to recombinate base-formulas, but not multiple hybrids in a single image wink

You are wrong wink you can mix two hybrids, you can decide to make the "mix" between f.ex formula 1-3 and 4-6 or 1-2 and 3-6. I can post an example later...
...or you could read the read me file in m3d wink
But you can only mix two hybrids (or base formulas).
I can't see the difference in this way and the one you try to describe...
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« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2015, 03:03:31 PM »

yeah, my approach just gives more intuitive creation, and more possibilities (e.g. 10 mboxes) and furthermore when separating the formula definitions completely from eachother for a layer, different colors for each would be possible as well, right now it seems to work as you describe, but hides some obvious possibilities (limit to 5 hybrid formulas, global color set up )
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« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2015, 04:11:54 PM »

OK, I get it. Possibility to have seperate colors wood be awesome! Good thinking C! smiley
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« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2015, 08:00:01 PM »

Actually, you can manipulate color somewhat by changing the number of iterations per hybrid. If you do this right, you can use one part of the palette for one hybrid and one part for the other. But your discussion provoked another thought: It would be perfect if you could assign different maps to the separate hybrids!  grin. Would that be feasible Andreas?
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« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2015, 08:55:22 PM »

just dont even think about making such workarounds possible, it would all be gone if a single "hybrid formula" can live happily side by side with many others
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« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2015, 02:29:40 AM »

Would that be feasible Andreas?
Really need to check this in more detail later (and also the code) to be able to give a stressabe answer. But I think I have understand the problem, or at least the major part of it :-)
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