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« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2014, 11:29:34 PM »

    There arenīt artless cultures on Earth, in fact, art is the main human activity , and the first one.
    Of course, there are levels, as there are different kinds of men, but itīs imposible to find any culture without art, in fact, WE are near to this condition, as most art we can see today ,was done centuries ago.
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« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2014, 11:59:06 PM »

... art is the main human activity ...

HA!

Toldja all Art was a Verb!   Sponge Bob looney
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« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2014, 05:34:11 AM »

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« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2014, 12:16:40 PM »

HA!

Toldja all Art was a Verb!   Sponge Bob looney

Got your point and laugh a lot too, but have I mentioned that I talk about HUMAN activity?
This leads to the idea that the only thing that is strictly human, is artistic creation, we share with other animals almost all of our features and behaviours, except this one.
     And in our world, there are a lot af activities that are directly non- human, or directly against  mankind, so there are probably very few true humans among us.
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« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2014, 01:21:56 PM »

Well, birds sing, isn't music a form of art?  wink
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/0MgLXeaf3zc&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/v/0MgLXeaf3zc&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
IMHO decorating a nest is also a form of art
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/GPbWJPsBPdA&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/v/GPbWJPsBPdA&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
and dancing is another example.

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« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2014, 11:14:44 AM »

Well, birds sing, isn't music a form of art?  wink
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/0MgLXeaf3zc&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/v/0MgLXeaf3zc&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
IMHO decorating a nest is also a form of art
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/GPbWJPsBPdA&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/v/GPbWJPsBPdA&rel=1&fs=1&hd=1</a>
and dancing is another example.



This topic has been split from this point - it strayed very far from anything close to a definition of art and became ...  something else.

The split posts are here, in their own thread now: http://www.fractalforums.com/art-discussions/re-definition-of-%27art%27/

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« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2015, 07:42:26 AM »

I wrote about the definition of art on my blog.
https://chronologicaldot.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/what-is-and-isnt-art/

It's too much to copy here, but the spark notes summary is that I view art as requiring skill. That said, using fractal software to randomly generate something beautiful (notice, I said "randomly"), is not art, or at least not human art.
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« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2015, 10:23:53 AM »

... I view art as requiring skill. That said, using fractal software to randomly generate something beautiful (notice, I said "randomly"), is not art, or at least not human art.

I always thought in such cases the Art lies in a combination of choosing the right color palette and mapping functions for the generated parameters. 

And even then, there is skill in spotting a nice choice from the many randomly generated bits.

But much of the final products created are not entirely random.  There are choices to be made all along the way which influence the outcome.

I still define Art as a Verb, not a Noun.  And under that definition the process of making fractal images is still Art, whether guided by hand written equations or randomly generated.  Attempting to define any "thing" as Art or not is always going to be a subjective value judgement.  Neither any physical item, nor any digital image, is Art.  The Art is over by the time we see a finished product.  Finished products of this process are nice, but don't count as anything more than Art Droppings in my definition.
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« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2015, 07:59:35 PM »

Can you give us some examples of the use of "art" as a verb?
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« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2015, 08:23:30 PM »

Can you give us some examples of the use of "art" as a verb?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0190590/
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« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2015, 09:06:49 PM »

It's too much to copy here, but the spark notes summary is that I view art as requiring skill. That said, using fractal software to randomly generate something beautiful (notice, I said "randomly"), is not art, or at least not human art.

You know what human art is? It the same as everything, it's universal, it's the big whole compressed in a "piece" .... and you know how everything works? Do the same thing over and over, but change some details every time. Thats art. Thats nature. Thats progress. Thats evolution. Thats copyright ... ehm, wait. Something goes wrong here. Skip that. It's science, music, lyrics, chords progressions, life, the shape of rocks, the forming of crystals, galaxies. I'm drifting off a bit and it might all be hard to relate, but try. It just all copy, change, publish. Whether it's information in melodies, shapes, DNA, bits, light or anything else does not really matter. This is also why DRM will never work. It's against the nature of the universe.
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« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2015, 10:49:25 PM »

Can you give us some examples of the use of "art" as a verb?

Sure!

I say Art is a Thing To Do, not a thing unto itself.

It's the process, not the final product.  Nothing you can point to is Art.  It's just, at best, the leftovers from Art.  Art Droppings, I like to call it. 

So if you want an example related to Fractal Art, Art is what happens during the time spent setting up something to render, and what happens during any post-work.  What you get in the end is a picture.  The picture is not the Art.  The Art is the process of making it.

Some people try to do a thing they call Performance Art, but that is just Art in my world.  They just do it for an audience.

I believe anytime somebody calls any thing Art, they are misusing the word.  The phrase "a work of Art" is quite common.  That implies that Art is Work.  Work is definitely a Verb and never confused with a noun!

Frankly, I'm surprised this is not the universal definition of Art, as it would quell thousands of debates over whether or not something is Art.  I see such questions as meaningless misuses of language. 

Here's a motto for us all - Ask not whether a thing is Art, ask instead if you like it!
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« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2015, 03:02:06 AM »

Thou art not quite so smart as thou thinkst...   nasty teeth

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« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2015, 05:42:07 AM »

You know what human art is? It the same as everything...
Stop. That's the problem. When the definition becomes too encompassing, it becomes meaningless. When you try to define "art" by what it is in a tangible sense, you get... well, tangibly, a bunch of atoms, but when you define "art" a process or part of a process or criteria in a process (as I do), the definition becomes more limited and thus more clear. If you define "art" as simply any entertaining concept, even that definition is more limited than "everything" since not all things may be entertaining (though they could be, and, notably, it is still a broad definition).

Thou art trying to make art meaningless.
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« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2015, 06:48:22 AM »

moot discussion as "art" is a perception "in the eye of the beholder"
what I did at work was, to me, just work, but to some observers it's an art that produces something artistic...
a finely crafted violin is just a  few pieces of wood and string, art to some, but crafting one is an art, as is playing one (well)
because it's largely subject to personal opinion and trying to define it diminishes it.
is the code art? is the image it generates art? is the hardware that it runs on art? yes to all, but only for those who view them as such.

so far, Mother Nature is the best artist (s work) I've ever seen.
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