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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2006, 02:24:51 AM »



Titia

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Titia that is beautiful O..O What program did you use to make it?

And yes I believe that making fractals is art, I have noticed that depending on my mood and whether I am depressed or not, it will affect how I modify the flames in Apophysis... it also affects what I name them and the overall feeling I try to express through it
And I've even had people tell me that they can see my feelings in the piece when I show it to them.
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2006, 07:15:10 AM »

This is an interesting subject and while I know I don't have "the answer", I do have some thoughts on the matter.  I think that art(small "a") is any attempt to produce, or reproduce, something in any medium which tries to evoke in the viewer a response of some kind, hopefully positive.  A student in school (1st grade or whatever) with the assignment to "draw a picture of your family" will invariably produce a crude drawing of their parents and siblings.  This is art, crude, unskilled, rudimentary, but still an expression in the given medium by an individual to express an idea.  This holds for other areas also, such as poetry, music, writing, and such, that can be accessed by any level of individual.  Art (Capital "A") is another matter entirely.  Here skill is involved with making the finished product, and the better the skill, the better the Art.  To consider that art is only what can be sold only shows the level of the buyer's understanding, not the quality of the work itself.  Art comes in many shades, colors, and levels, just as does literature.  That one can not appreciate a well written novel, or play, does not detract from the work itself, but shows only the level of the individual's understanding of what it appreciates.  And it is possible to learn to appreciate, and discern, the different levels, colors, and shades of any artform.  But, to produce quality requires skill, the more skill the better the outcome....true of anything, but especially Art.  Sales hype might produce revenue, but it doesn't produce Art.  So, in conclusion, I think that art runs the gamut to Art, and where one is on the curve, either as artist or owner, is a result of comprehension (owner) or skill (artist).  Like water, you find your own level.

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2007, 07:08:40 PM »

i really like such concise and "pragmatic" definitions of abstract things! (a favourite is "reality is that which does not go away, when you stop believing in it")

thanks for the interesting link, and welcome to the forums smiley
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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2007, 11:30:16 PM »

Marco Alfaro (iteron) wrote:
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>    "Art is entertainment used to expand awareness."
>      (see http://www.see.org/e-ms-4.htm#426)

Thank you for the link on some interesting read.   smiley

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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2014, 10:43:17 PM »

I don't believe which tools or which medium is used determines if a work is art.  The artist begins a journey and the viewer finishes.
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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2014, 11:14:00 PM »

I don't believe which tools or which medium is used determines if a work is art.  The artist begins a journey and the viewer finishes.

What if the viewer is the artist?

I am the only one who sees most of my stuff, so is it still art if nobody else ever sees it?
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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2014, 11:08:41 PM »

    For something to be called art, it must have some qualities, otherwise, anything can be art.
    Among these qualities, the main one, is itīs meaning.
    The second one is related with the artist, him must be skilled, and, also, and more important, him must be inspired.
    Ancient art was not the work of the kind of "artista" we know today.
    It was the end result of deep thinking and hard geometric insights, provided by a well proben working system, ancient artists were wise men,
and true priests of the highest religión.
     And big amounts of money were spent in their work, in fact, the full wealthness of the nation was spent in art production in some cases.
     Art today, is just a word.
 
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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2014, 09:34:00 PM »

   To be true, art has been the motor of echonomics in the past, because the creation of those great art buildings and palaces, was in need of true artists, and artisans in all fields, and that meant that there were hundreds of artisan workshops all around, the final result, everyone had a place in the world and a job for his life.
     And this all was planned and done by wise masters of art, highly religious, and truly involved in the best for man.
      Because a man need to know his skill, his true profession, and will be free trough it.

      So, this was the aim of ancient art and artists, to keep  and spread all the workable knowledge their science provided, under art forms and with the nerve of religion , and make free men in the same stroke.
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« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2014, 04:19:08 PM »

Letīs imagine the ancient Egypt streets, in a country where the main activity was the artistic production, from colossal statues, to delicate jewelry design, from stone to gold, all around you could have found any kind of art form with its associated professions and skills, most of people around you were true artists and artisans with ancient and obscure knowledge around his own field.(There are still today some parts of statues that keep the paint applied 10.000 years ago while outdoors.)
     Government was in wise menīs hands, mens that wanted the best for mankind, because, and this is important, their knowledge was universal, their same ideas can be found  in all cultures under any art form, and them all agree.
      The Hollywood visión of evil priests scamming  a stupid people, are really obnoxious.
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« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2014, 10:18:21 PM »

http://reverent.org/true_art_or_fake_art.html
is it real or fake?    wink
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« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2014, 10:29:08 PM »

There is no such thing as fake art, only good art and bad art.  And that is entirely subjective.

There will never be a universally accepted definition of art for that reason!

Similar reasoning is what leads me to define Art as a Verb - and Never a Noun!!

It's the process, not the final product.  Nothing you can point to is Art.  It's just, at best, the leftovers from Art.  Art Droppings, I like to call it.   bubble gum
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« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2014, 11:56:55 PM »

By "fake art" I mean cases of forgery; then "good and "bad" have less subjective meaning, I guess. In that context we are only confronted with the final products and the process must be kept hidden; a good copy is a convincing reproduction.
More recent artistic hoaxes or historical forgeries made ​​by  forgers who were contemporary to the biggest artists  are maybe now indistinguishable from the originals.
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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2014, 11:52:04 AM »

Ah.

I only glanced at the page   embarrass

I suppose that would qualify as "fake art" if somebody tries to pass it off as the original, but if it's a student effort  (many students are assigned to "copy" fine art as part of training) then I think another word is needed. 
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« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2014, 11:25:27 AM »

   A few words about inspiration,
  In the ancient world, inspiration was the greatest gift a man can have in this world, and such inspired men were greatly appreciate because of their connection with higher levels.
   But these men knew the way to reach such higher levels, and taught  this way to others, this is what was called Art, and they were known as Masters of Art.
   I mean inspiration is not a free gift, but the result of really hard work managed with a clear aim, and inside some system they called "schools".
    
  
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« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2014, 03:47:58 PM »

   The main tool used for directing the mind while keeping a grip in reality was Geometry, from this viewpoint , Geometry is the only Objective Way,  Geometry canīt lie, and canīt be wrong, and thereīs  nothing around from which you can say the same.
    And Geometry is the son of drawing.
    Some years ago, here in Spain, occurred the Ummo case, Ummo was supposed to be the home planet of some extraterrestrial visitors.
    These "Ummites", provided a big amount of documents, the journalists that received them talk about  incredible high tech and scientific stuff.
    Some months ago I had the chance to read some of these papers, ummites claim their civilization developped photography  very soon, so they donīt need  art.
     Strangely enough, there was not a single photo in all their stuff, but a lot of very bad drawings depicting buildings and vehicles, too much for a civilization based in photography.
      Obviously, their claim against art was just a way to escape the obvious impossibility to draw they had.
      Moreover, they are unable to explain how they could build their photo cameras if they donīt have any kind of art, who designed the cameras?
      Well, thatīs all really awesome dude, but you canīt imagine the amount of ink and paper journalists wasted in this thing.
       A single geometric approach shows all the inconsistences of this kind of things, thatīs why ancient people trusted Geometry as the only true way.
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